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The seller has added the following note to their listing:-
"It would appear that Ebay altered my original description so to avoid any upsets, this brillant car was a 9000 Anniversary treated to a full Aero makeover inc the suspension, Badges, seats etc plus the larger wheels and a Abbott upgrade to 210bhp."

One may have thought this would have been a good time to point out there is NOT a valid MOT to April 2025 as of today. I wonder how many sellers put up an ebay listing stating "valid MOT" before they have even sent the car to be tested.

Neil

It's totally fair to say "this car will come with a full years MOT" but it doesn't, so is misleading.

EDIT: Post removed (see below). Good point by Espin99T

EmpingSaab wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2024 1:10 pm Disappointing to see that the seller hasn't changed the title or the listing description, which still suggests it is a genuine Aero. Makes me suspicious as to intent,..,.

As already stated above the seller has added the following to their description.

On 27-Apr-24 at 13:43:33 BST, seller added the following information:
It would appear that Ebay altered my original description so to avoid any upsets, this brillant car was a 9000 Anniversary treated to a full Aero makeover inc the suspension, Badges, seats etc plus the larger wheels and a Abbott upgrade to 210bhp.

You need to scroll down on the original description to see it.

Due to the way eBay manages its listings, sellers cannot alter listing titles or original descriptions once there are bids on the item.
As there are bids the seller is unable to edit, but at least he has added to the listing for those that read all of it to see.

For those that have already bid they have the ability to withdraw their bids if they think they were duped.

Thanks @espin99T I didn't know you couldn't edit a listing once there were bids. But at least the seller has now added a note at the end.

Well the clock ticks down with just 20 mins to go. I couldn't resist looking again to see if there was any update on MOT...and there is. Unfortunately for the seller, another FAIL:-
Repair immediately (major defects):

Exhaust Lambda reading after 2nd fast idle outside specified limits (8.2.1.2 (c))
Exhaust carbon monoxide content after 2nd fast idle exceeds manufacturer's specified limits (8.2.1.2 (a))

It seems extraordinary that they listed this as having a new MOT, before it was tested and failed twice. I guess that is a very valid reason for winning bidder to withdraw. It may not even come to that as the seller still hasn't had bids reaching their reserve.

Neil

I think people were wise to it, thankfully. I'd expect bidding on a genuine Aero with only 100k miles to go higher than the closing bid.

I see that they finally got a fresh MOT for this on Friday 10 May. No advisories!
Curious as to whether they will re-list with exactly the same text as previously, or come up with a fresh description.

Neil

It won't be re-listed. It is sold.
The new owner really likes it and isn't disappointed that it isn't a "real" Aero. He was able to track down the mechanic who had looked after it for the last 6 months, who recommended he buy the car.
I think he's considering adding a Carlsson badge for a laugh

Thanks Bill, I am happy for the new owner, who will hopefully give this car some love. Apart from the false statements in the ebay listing, the seller suggesting they may actually do an oil and filter change if they got a high enough price, was something of a black flag.

Do you know if the new MOT was obtained by new or previous owner?

All the best,
Neil

Buzz wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2024 11:03 amDo you know if the new MOT was obtained by new or previous owner?

He only bought it on Sunday so I would guess it must already have had the new MOT. Since the seller was trade, I can imagine them not wanting to shell out on MOTs for everything until they have an interested buyer. Otherwise you have the outlay of an MOT for each car and the MOT is counting down on each car as it sits on the forecourt. I don't know if that is how the used car trade works but I can see the logic if it is.

BillJ wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2024 11:19 am

Buzz wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2024 11:03 amDo you know if the new MOT was obtained by new or previous owner?

He only bought it on Sunday so I would guess it must already have had the new MOT. Since the seller was trade, I can imagine them not wanting to shell out on MOTs for everything until they have an interested buyer. Otherwise you have the outlay of an MOT for each car and the MOT is counting down on each car as it sits on the forecourt. I don't know if that is how the used car trade works but I can see the logic if it is.

That's usually the way the trade sells a car that has no current MOT, as you say no point in the MOT ticking down while its sat on the forecourt.
It was just misworded with regards the fact it was being sold with a fresh MOT, I think he stated it had a fresh MOT rather than it would be sold with one.
It ended up with a fresh MOT with no advisories, so no big deal in my opinion.
Looking at the mileage between the last failure and the clean sheet it was probably subjected to an Italian tune up to sort the emissions issues. Just a case of being stood to long I suspect.

He also rectified the description as far is he could with regards it being Aero spec rather than being a genuine Aero. Probably just took the badges as being genuine. I do not think there was genuine intent to deceive.

Looked a nice car for the money, Aero spec for less than some of the silly prices being asked for tired looking genuine Aero's

But the seller isn't a car trader? It's a business account yes but the address at the bottom of the listing is for a building letting/leasing agent with nothing for sale and for recent feedback hasn't sold anything though of course this doesn't apply for classified items

Toe wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2024 5:34 pm But the seller isn't a car trader? It's a business account yes but the address at the bottom of the listing is for a building letting/leasing agent with nothing for sale and for recent feedback hasn't sold anything though of course this doesn't apply for classified items

I think your right, I think someone who posted earlier implied they were a trader.

Still no point in an MOT ticking away while trying to sell a car, he has obviously put it through an MOT while it was listed, so again I cannot see an issue with the listing with regards being sold with a fresh MOT.