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obi604
PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2018 11:03 pm 
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Hi

New here. And based in Ireland.

Seriously thinking of buying a 2008 Saab 9-3. Saloon. Automatic. Petrol. 1.8

I undestnd the 1.8 is actually a 2 litre, is this correct?

Do they come in 150 and 175 bhp?

I think they are bio power also. As far as I am aware, bio ethanol is not available to buy in Ireland. So it’s just standard petrol I would use. How does this affect things?
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1.8t is a 2 litre, 150 PS

The 175PS engine is badged 2.0t - same engine, different tune.

There is a 1.8 engine (same as the Vectra) but a 1.8i and not badged. It's a 122PS unit that had already been discontinued in Astras and Vectras in favour of a VVC unit. 1.8i and 1.8t are therefore completely different beasts....nowt bad with 1.8t - can be tuned to 200Ps quite easily.

BioPower 1.8t is 175PS with E85. car runs no differently regardless of what's in the tank.
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There is also a 2.0 Aero with 210bhp. It is also same engine as 1.8t & 2.0t but with different map and bigger turbo and some other bits.

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obi604
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thanks for the helpful and quick replies.

so, just need to be carfeul with the badge on the back and what it says, 1.8t or 2.0t or better still just get the seller to give me more info. we unfortunataley dont have e85 anynmore in Ireland.
Aero not really an option here as rare as hens teeth etc


Now, down to the actual car, wheter it be the 150 or 175 bhp version on standard unleaded. And the saloon **automatic**

What are they like for reliability?
What are they like for MPG? (I know this depends on driving style)
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Reliable as any other vehicle if maintained and looked after.
If you want the full SP on any saab you can obtain the build specification at www.thesaabsite.com form the VIN.
Auto petrols will be thirsty (prob in the 20-35mpg town/motorway range) and in the UK the tax hit VED makes them a tad unpopular.
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obi604
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cjapeterborough wrote:
Reliable as any other vehicle if maintained and looked after.
If you want the full SP on any saab you can obtain the build specification at http://www.thesaabsite.com form the VIN.
Auto petrols will be thirsty (prob in the 20-35mpg town/motorway range) and in the UK the tax hit VED makes them a tad unpopular.


Thanks.

But high level, are there any major known issues?

Like previously I had a BMW 320D with a known issue of a timing chain on N47 engines etc
and I believe the earlier pre 2008 Sabb 93's had an oil sludge issue or similar.
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No sludge issues on these.

In that age range they had soft inlet valve problems. Generally occurs in 60k + mailers and manifests itself as a cold misfire, which goes away after a minute or two. Prevalent on 1.8t, 2.0t and Aero engines. Fixed by cars built in 2009.

That is a £600+ cylinder head rebuild with new valves. Ask me how I know?

CIM's can play up too. You can get remanufactured ones but expect a large bill and the need for a Tech2 session.

Otherwise they are pretty good. Watch the seats though. Turbo Edition and Linear seats are a bit naff, compared to 9-5 seats. Vector and Aero are better.
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obi604
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munchcorp wrote:
No sludge issues on these.

In that age range they had soft inlet valve problems. Generally occurs in 60k + mailers and manifests itself as a cold misfire, which goes away after a minute or two. Prevalent on 1.8t, 2.0t and Aero engines. Fixed by cars built in 2009.

That is a £600+ cylinder head rebuild with new valves. Ask me how I know?

CIM's can play up too. You can get remanufactured ones but expect a large bill and the need for a Tech2 session.

Otherwise they are pretty good. Watch the seats though. Turbo Edition and Linear seats are a bit naff, compared to 9-5 seats. Vector and Aero are better.


Thanks.
mmm, so could be 2 potential issues so.
What are CIMS?



Do these car have a timing chain OR belt?
And what are the changed intervals?
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CIM is the column integration module. A black box of electronics around the steering column with the indicator and wiper stalks coming from it. It is security linked to the engine management unit and controls the immobiliser, ignition switch and door locking, plus the steering lock.

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obi604
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Do these car have a timing chain OR belt?
What are the recommended change intervals?
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The petrols have a timing chain. The replacement interval is: change if stretched or otherwise faulty. Leave it if not.

Regular oil changes help to preserve the chain, every 6 - 8 thousand miles or so.

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obi604
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Are there many reports of timing chain issues?

And is it an expensive job to sort out?
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We have had a 2003 2.0 litre. Bought at one year old, sold 12 years later. No issues.

And now have a 2010 2.8 V6 again, no issues so far.

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Hi
We have a 2.0t 9-3 auto.
Super comfy, no problems to report after two years. Apart from an indicator bulb!
About 31 mpg on easy driving, touch more on a gentle motorway drive. I guess around 400 miles from a tank.
Easy to re-map by the God of Saabs, Karl (SaabNoob).
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sonflowerinwales wrote:
Hi
We have a 2.0t 9-3 auto.
Super comfy, no problems to report after two years. Apart from an indicator bulb!
About 31 mpg on easy driving, touch more on a gentle motorway drive. I guess around 400 miles from a tank.
Easy to re-map by the God of Saabs, Karl (SaabNoob).
Cheers
Paul



Hi

Good to hear.

What year is your 9-3?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 3:20 pm 
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munchcorp wrote:
No sludge issues on these.

In that age range they had soft inlet valve problems. Generally occurs in 60k + mailers and manifests itself as a cold misfire, which goes away after a minute or two. Prevalent on 1.8t, 2.0t and Aero engines. Fixed by cars built in 2009.

That is a £600+ cylinder head rebuild with new valves. Ask me how I know?

CIM's can play up too. You can get remanufactured ones but expect a large bill and the need for a Tech2 session.

Otherwise they are pretty good. Watch the seats though. Turbo Edition and Linear seats are a bit naff, compared to 9-5 seats. Vector and Aero are better.


was £600+ the DIY or garage cost. If garage, that seems very competitive.
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obi604
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Is there any easy way to tell what bhp a car is on standard unleaded petrol?
Like is there a sticker anywhere that details this.

I know one can enter a VIN code to a website etc, but just wondering if a visual way to tell.
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obi604 wrote:
Is there any easy way to tell what bhp a car is on standard unleaded petrol?
Like is there a sticker anywhere that details this.

I know one can enter a VIN code to a website etc, but just wondering if a visual way to tell.
Yes. On petrols the badges on the back tell all.

V6 Aero = 250bhp
Aero = 207bhp - 210bhp
2.0t = 175bhp
1.8t = 150bhp
1.8 = ~130bhp

Arc, Linear, Vector etc are trim levels. Aero is also a trim level in a way, especially on diesels but it's mainly a power level.

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obi604
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TwyRob wrote:
obi604 wrote:
Is there any easy way to tell what bhp a car is on standard unleaded petrol?
Like is there a sticker anywhere that details this.

I know one can enter a VIN code to a website etc, but just wondering if a visual way to tell.
Yes. On petrols the badges on the back tell all.

V6 Aero = 250bhp
Aero = 207bhp - 210bhp
2.0t = 175bhp
1.8t = 150bhp
1.8 = ~130bhp

Arc, Linear, Vector etc are trim levels. Aero is also a trim level in a way, especially on diesels but it's mainly a power level.


Thanks. So purely based on badges at back.
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obi604 wrote:
TwyRob wrote:
obi604 wrote:
Is there any easy way to tell what bhp a car is on standard unleaded petrol?
Like is there a sticker anywhere that details this.

I know one can enter a VIN code to a website etc, but just wondering if a visual way to tell.
Yes. On petrols the badges on the back tell all.

V6 Aero = 250bhp
Aero = 207bhp - 210bhp
2.0t = 175bhp
1.8t = 150bhp
1.8 = ~130bhp

Arc, Linear, Vector etc are trim levels. Aero is also a trim level in a way, especially on diesels but it's mainly a power level.


Thanks. So purely based on badges at back.


Yes, pretty much, the 1.8t, 2.0t & Aero all use the same 2.0l engine (Aero has bigger turbo and other bits) so not a lot of difference to see under the bonnet.

The 2.0t, Aero & Aero V6 have a Turbo boost gauge in dashboard, at top of the dial where engine temp and fuel is. The 1.8t does not have this (at least I have not seen one with it)

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