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 Post subject: Noobtune question...
PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2021 1:52 pm 
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Hi all, just recently had a noobtune remap on my 93 aero and the clutch has a minor slip in 3rd gear on high boost. Ok so its done 100000 miles on it's original clutch so not unexpected i suppose. Anyway im ringing around saab specialists in the southeast area for a clutch replacement cost and one very well known one has said Karls remaps destroys engines/ pistons due to its lean running on full chat.. Now should i be concerned ?


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 Post subject: Re: Noobtune question...
PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2021 2:19 pm 
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Not impossible, but i've not heard of that.

Does this very well known specialist also do remapping?

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 Post subject: Re: Noobtune question...
PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2021 2:51 pm 
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Yes they do. They claim to have quite a few knackered engines due to the remap and also.say how irresponsible it is to remap a car via post instead of seeing the car and judging its condition before doing so..


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 Post subject: Re: Noobtune question...
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He's still going around saying that, and charges a lot more for his remaps.

Any engine tune will seek out weak points in the mechanicals, especially as most tunes these days are carried out on high mileage engines. As you have found, your clutch is worn out.

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 Post subject: Re: Noobtune question...
PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2021 3:11 pm 
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I've never looked at a dyno plot from Karl so can't comment on if it's lean or not, but I would imagine that if there were "quite a few knackered engines" which could be attributed to his tuning that we would be seeing more about it on here and Faceache. And I know he's mapped a great number of cars.

It's a very bold claim to make, criticising others work like that.


There are a few tuners who, pre T5, T7 and T8 suite, used to make quite a lot of money from the stage 1 remap market. Since the free software was released the prices for tuning have come down dramatically, and there has been a lot of sour grapes from the "old guard" about it.

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 Post subject: Re: Noobtune question...
PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2021 9:05 pm 
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It's no different to a Maptun remap though.
You plug that into your OBD port and nobody sees the car.

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 Post subject: Re: Noobtune question...
PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2021 9:13 pm 
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As a general rule, people on the internet are for more likely to complain about negative service or problems then they are to praise or recommend positive. Probably even more so in the UK, where most people wouldn't dream of going up to a manager and actually complaining, they'd just whinge about it from the sidelines. Hence an overall positive response from a Google search (or similar) is worth far more than a similar negative one.

Now go put "Noobtune" into the search engine of your choice and draw your own conclusions.


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 Post subject: Re: Noobtune question...
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Im not complaining, just asking a question after talking to a well know saab specialist regarding my clutch. The remap question was asked hence my question here. I messaged Karl on several occasions and was happy but no harm in asking regarding what was said..


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 Post subject: Re: Noobtune question...
PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2021 11:41 pm 
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sgould wrote:
He's still going around saying that, and charges a lot more for his remaps.

Any engine tune will seek out weak points in the mechanicals, especially as most tunes these days are carried out on high mileage engines. As you have found, your clutch is worn out.



Karl has put a huge amount of R and D into his maps and I’ve seen cars mapted buy him and others on the Dyno back to back , he wins on all fronts, as said any increase of power on a continually aging car will show up weaknesses


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 Post subject: Re: Noobtune question...
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Are you able to name the Saab specialist?


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 Post subject: Re: Noobtune question...
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Karl,

Has been tuning Saabs- must be over 10 years now. I've known quite a few people who have used his services and they've never had a problem with his maps...just the opposite, very happy and full of praise for his guidance and expertise..


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 Post subject: Re: Noobtune question...
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I am running Noob stage 3 on my 9-5 Aero - 135,000 miles so far since fitting and was on 100,000 miles when i put it on - that is all i can say.

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 Post subject: Re: Noobtune question...
PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2021 8:24 am 
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Agree with all the previous comments, tuning will find the weak points of your engine whether it's clutch, fuel, worn internals and so on. Irrespective of Saab or not. Even a minor tune on my Merc diesel showed a fuelling problem which would otherwise go undetected for some time.


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 Post subject: Re: Noobtune question...
PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2021 9:29 am 
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mr shifter wrote:
Hi all, just recently had a noobtune remap on my 93 aero and the clutch has a minor slip in 3rd gear on high boost. Ok so its done 100000 miles on it's original clutch so not unexpected i suppose. Anyway im ringing around saab specialists in the southeast area for a clutch replacement cost and one very well known one has said Karls remaps destroys engines/ pistons due to its lean running on full chat.. Now should i be concerned ?


I think your post is irresponsible, if you had concerns over what you have been to told by this Saab Specialist about the your remap from Karl, then you should have discussed your concerns with Karl.
What you have done is act on behalf of this Saab Specialist by posting on a Saab forum stating his claims that Karl’s maps run lean and destroy engines, why would post someone else’s claims?

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 Post subject: Re: Noobtune question...
PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2021 11:12 am 
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I completely disagree. I haven't agreed with the statement claimed and im not running around screaming the maps flawed and want it removed. I think i was right to post the
question as surely this is a saab forum and wanted to highlight this. Also im not slagging Karl off either.
Would you say it was wrong to say for example parts bought from "xyz" are substandard on here ? Same principle.


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 Post subject: Re: Noobtune question...
PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2021 11:31 am 
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mr shifter wrote:
I completely disagree. I haven't agreed with the statement claimed and im not running around screaming the maps flawed and want it removed. I think i was right to post the
question as surely this is a saab forum and wanted to highlight this. Also im not slagging Karl off either.
Would you say it was wrong to say for example parts bought from "xyz" are substandard on here ? Same principle.


If you bought parts that were substandard and you have the proof then that’s fine. What you are doing is saying someone told you Karl’s maps destroy engines because the run lean. Until it’s proven you are posting hearsay.

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 Post subject: Re: Noobtune question...
PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2021 12:00 pm 
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Sorry don't see your point. It wasopen to discussion and no more...lf mod see this as derogatory to Karl then by all means remove the post. I don't think it is..


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 Post subject: Re: Noobtune question...
PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2021 12:37 pm 
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You are discussing 3rd party comments.
If you wanted to openly discuss Karl’s remaps you could have simply asked for feedback bad or good. Instead you started the discussion with he said this about Karl’s remaps. What is your purpose in posting what someone else said negatively about another persons work?

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 Post subject: Re: Noobtune question...
PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2021 2:52 pm 
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It has been reviewed, and for now the mod team are happy to let this thread run.

it is felt that nothing derogatory has been stated, either by the OP or in any of the responses.
The OP was looking for reassurance about something they have purchased and the responses provided just that.

A polite reminder to please keep it civil. Ta.

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 Post subject: Re: Noobtune question...
PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2021 12:14 pm 
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My LPT 2.0 9-5 had two of Karl's maps.
None of them had any issues. The timing chain was the death of that car as it eventually wore through the casing and lost oil pressure.

The first map was by post to the standard LPT turbo, and that was a shock of how much performance could be gained for so little outlay.

The second map was in person after I'd upgraded the turbo to a 15-T, uprated the intercooler, clutch from a 93 Aero, and 3 bar FPR. Karl knew what map would support these additions, and after loading it in and going for a road test he made some more tweaks and I left a very happy customer.

All the while he's given free technical support for any issues, which were more related to the age of the car and hoses etc rather than his map.

10/10 would recommend his maps over any "commercial" offerings, as he knows T7 intimately, and how it relates to our cars. I wonder what car the OPs tuner drives?

I don't doubt he's seen a car that had one of Karl's maps on, but don't forget the map by standard includes features to prevent pistons melting. It's more likely something was wrong with the car, like a sensor, than there being something wrong on the map.

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