UKSaabs

Hi folks,

I bought my 2008 TTiD a month or so ago and although it says about 40% left until the next service, I thought it'd be good to change the oil & filter anyway before an upcoming 1,000-mile round trip (plus then I can be sure it's got the right oil!)

Unfortunately - as is not uncommon, it appears they employed an ape on the last oil change ...

I needed to use a strap wrench to undo the oil filler cap! Sump nut was a pig too, but a 6-sided socket and an 18" breaker bar eventually got it undone - not without chewing up the head, but I have a replacement anyway.

With the above in mind, I thought it'd be a good idea to check the oil filter before draining the oil. The cap doesn't have a large socket fitment on the top as I was hoping for (it's marked UFI) - does anyone know where I can source the proper tool to undo the lid? I did consider using a strap wrench, but given how tight everything else appears to have been done so far I'm a bit concerned about possibly splitting the oil filter cap with the torque that might be required - so the correct tool might be best ...

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'98 9000 2.3T CSE, stage 3
'04 9-5 Aero manual, stage 3
'08 Jaguar XFR
'10 9-5 2.3T Turbo Edition

Is it an all in one unit then, with a metal casing...? If so these really only do need screwing on as tight as you can by hand and no more...

As long as you give it a good coating of oil around the rubber seal it will be fine... or if you want to be sure, you could use your strap wrench, but only to ensure it is fixed tight.

Something like this would be good.

http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stor ... &langId=-1

... sadly not (unlike my 9000), it's a paper element fitted inside a plastic housing ... what I need is something like the "Laser Oil Filter Cup Wrench 76mm" on that page, I just need to know what size it should be and how many flutes ... ???

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'98 9000 2.3T CSE, stage 3
'04 9-5 Aero manual, stage 3
'08 Jaguar XFR
'10 9-5 2.3T Turbo Edition

Oh right! Sorry!

I was a little confused thinking it was an all in one job!

I've only seen ones with the 36cm 6 sided plastic heads... which is what mine has?

I dont suppose you could try and take a picture could you?

access is tricky as it's at the back of the engine, under the alternator - so difficult to get at from above (the car's a daily driver so I only really get the chance to look underneath at weekends), but I was able to get this (click for full size):



- the width looks to be about 70mm?

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'98 9000 2.3T CSE, stage 3
'04 9-5 Aero manual, stage 3
'08 Jaguar XFR
'10 9-5 2.3T Turbo Edition

Is it the same as the 1.9tid?
I had the same problem with mine recently, couldn't find a proper tool anywhere, even local factors let me borrow one of every size they had saying I could return the ones I didn't use... Returned the lot, I got close but always either the size or the flutes were not quite there.
even the internet didn't seem to help.
Resorted to an oil filter pliers type thing from halfords in the end, like a big plumbers wrench. Did the job, if a little messily

hmmm ... not sure, the replacement cap is a different part number (P/N 93191749 for the TTiD, P/N 93181615 for the TiD) ... but having said that, WIS only lists one tool - P/N 8396129 ... ah, actually - hold that thought - just found a different entry for the Z19DTR (TTiD) which lists P/N 32025051, a.k.a. "EN-47641 Oil filter spanner" which it seems may also be used on the 9-5, the plot thickens ...

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'98 9000 2.3T CSE, stage 3
'04 9-5 Aero manual, stage 3
'08 Jaguar XFR
'10 9-5 2.3T Turbo Edition

Thats the same filter cap as on the wifes insignia...? Interesting...

Maybe theres a vauxhall tool out there?

yes, when searching for the "EN-47641" I did find one web page, which said it fits:

Astra-J 2010 (2010-), Insignia 2009 (2009-)

- engine codes A 16 LET (LLU), A 16 XER (LDE), A 18 XER (2HO), A 20 DTC (LCD), A 20 DTH (LBS), A 20 DTJ (LBX), A 20 DTR (LBY), A 20 NHT (LDK), A 28 NER (LAU), A 28 NET (LBW)

- but it's the same part number (32025051). Now I just need to know what the size and number of flutes is, I reckon one of the motorbike ones out there may fit as there are a few which are 68mm/14 flutes ...

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'98 9000 2.3T CSE, stage 3
'04 9-5 Aero manual, stage 3
'08 Jaguar XFR
'10 9-5 2.3T Turbo Edition

to answer my own question (for anyone else who wants to know), looks like it's 76mm / 14 flutes (laser tools part 3117) - now ordered, I'll update when it arrives and has been tested

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'98 9000 2.3T CSE, stage 3
'04 9-5 Aero manual, stage 3
'08 Jaguar XFR
'10 9-5 2.3T Turbo Edition

Nice one, keep the thread alive with the result, I for one will be watching

arrived today, and ... too small

measured and although it says 76/14 the internal measurement across opposing flats is nearer to 74mm. So think I'll get one of the kits you can buy instead

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'04 9-5 Aero manual, stage 3
'08 Jaguar XFR
'10 9-5 2.3T Turbo Edition

What a pain. I looked at buying a kit, I also found one place selling the official tool (found by googling the tool part no from the EPC) but both options came in at about fifty quid which I thought would make for a rather expensive oil change... I largely do work on my own car to save cash!

yep. found a 31 piece set which is coming from Germany I think, £35 - so cheaper than the official tool. Will
update when I find which one fits (if any!) ... may also come in handy when working on other cars ...

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'04 9-5 Aero manual, stage 3
'08 Jaguar XFR
'10 9-5 2.3T Turbo Edition

well ... had another go today ... NONE of the 31 tools fit

looks like a custom tool, 16 sides - probably is 74mm ... tried using a strap wrench, giving it as much force as I thought was safe but it didn't move. Didn't want to give it too much in case it cracked the plastic housing.

So ... back to square one. I did notice that the Saab WIS lists P/N 8396129 for ALL 4-cylinder diesel cars, so that's probably all diesels except the TTiD ... does anyone know either way?

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'98 9000 2.3T CSE, stage 3
'04 9-5 Aero manual, stage 3
'08 Jaguar XFR
'10 9-5 2.3T Turbo Edition

ive got a better idea
take it to kwik fit

let them change the filter
then when ya get home drain out the crap oil and put yours in

myself id put a set of 2 or 3 foot stiltsons on it

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luv n kisses Tony B

Get the pliers type wrench from halfords did the job for me

well I *finally* got round to it today - good call Steve, those did the trick - not ideal, but they succeeded where all the other tools I'd tried failed!

I measured the cap when it was off with a brake disc thickness vernier caliper, for reference it does have 16 sides/flutes and is 75mm across the flats.

If I hear of laser tools, draper or any other company releasing a proper tool I'll add the reference to it on this thread ...

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'98 9000 2.3T CSE, stage 3
'04 9-5 Aero manual, stage 3
'08 Jaguar XFR
'10 9-5 2.3T Turbo Edition

Good stuff mate.
As I have mentioned on another thread (as you say they aren't ideal but they work) I think next oil change I'm going to use them to remove it and then try to get a filter cap off a scrap Vectra or 9-3 that has the nice 32mm socket fitting on top

... sod's law says either the cap won't fit, or the filter element won't ...

seems funny that there's no aftermarket version, given that the same tool is specified for a load of the newer Vauxhalls (as in my post above) ... maybe one will start to be made soon as more of those cars come out of warranty/lease ... ?

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'98 9000 2.3T CSE, stage 3
'04 9-5 Aero manual, stage 3
'08 Jaguar XFR
'10 9-5 2.3T Turbo Edition