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PostPosted: Mon May 10, 2021 5:19 pm 
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i think the V5's changed colour a few years back due to some nice person selling them out the back or at least someone making very very good ones.

so any customs agent who is decent at his job may spot the difference in colour. think red ones are the current one. used to be blue?

but yes definition is as said for stolen.

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PostPosted: Mon May 10, 2021 5:44 pm 
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Am I missing the point..surely, the definition of stolen is to take with the intention of permanently depriving you of the object?


Without material evidence of the agreement though, it would be up to the OP to demonstrate that the recent sale was not an eventual progression of the agreement to store surely? Thus demonstrating the theft of the property? I'd also suggest a receipt of sale/purchase in the OP's name would also be required to demonstrate ownership (as a V5 is only, as we know, proof of registered keeper)?

A very difficult situation, with no easy way to resolve I'd guess?



^^^ What he said.

We do not know what the agreement was with the relative who sold the car with regards storage arrangements with the OP.
Or if said relative had asked the OP to move it etc... or sold the car for reimbursement of storage rental etc...

Any claim would be against the relative who sold the car, not the buyer.

The police have decided its a civil case so that's the next route to take.

The buyer may have to eventually return the car if the courts decide in favour of the OP, but until then the buyer has no obligation to return the car to the OP.

The V5 the OP has is currently irrelevant other than as evidence that the OP was once the registered keeper.
Purchase receipts would (as has already been said) be required to confirm it is actually or was actually the property of the OP.

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PostPosted: Mon May 10, 2021 6:32 pm 
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Mike9000Aero wrote:
Am I missing the point..surely, the definition of stolen is to take with the intention of permanently depriving you of the object?


I assume the police would take the following into account

Theft act 1968

A person’s appropriation of property belonging to another is not to be regarded as dishonest—
(a)if he appropriates the property in the belief that he has in law the right to deprive the other of it, on behalf of himself or of a third person; or
(b)if he appropriates the property in the belief that he would have the other’s consent if the other knew of the appropriation and the circumstances of it; or
(c)(except where the property came to him as trustee or personal representative) if he appropriates the property in the belief that the person to whom the property belongs cannot be discovered by taking reasonable steps.

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PostPosted: Mon May 10, 2021 6:37 pm 
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I think you need to involve a solicitor.

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You still own it, the V5C does not denote ownership.

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wrighar wrote:
You still own it, the V5C does not denote ownership.


No, but if a receipt was given, that might be a different story.

beardydave wrote:
I think you need to involve a solicitor.


I think a carefully worded solicitors letter may get some results, however, solicitors tend to just end up costing you money. This could easily be more than the value of the car. I would definitely take legal advice on where to go next. At that point you can decide to proceed or give up. I think I would want my car back too and would try hard to get it.

You aren't a member of a motoring organisation, are you? Their legal teams may be best placed to assist rather than a general solicitor.

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PostPosted: Tue May 11, 2021 12:10 pm 
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Hopefully you could claim your costs as part of the settlement.

I don't think it would improve relations with family though.

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Hopefully you could claim your costs as part of the settlement.

I don't think it would improve relations with family though.

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Espin 99T we do know what the agreement was with the relative who sold the car because you've mentioned this before on page 3 of this thread and I thought that I had answered clearly then. Just to finally put any doubt on my actions to rest I will repeat that it was at the invitation of the home owner that I store the saab there and it was a verbal agreement for an indefinite period with no fees or charges attached.

Of course I was grateful for the offer as the alternative would have been to sell the Aero or to find alternative storage, neither of which were particularly appealing. I left the car exacly as the property owner had wanted it with enough room to carry out any activities they required in the garage. On my last visit to the Uk we reviewed the situation to the agreement of both parties. Despite the property owner being in regular contact I have not had either formal or informal instruction to move the car and end the agreement.

Mike 9000 Aero I'm in agreement with you on this

beardydave, its something I've given a lot of thought but my experience of solicitors has been that they will talk a good fight but often come up short in reality. I really need to know my legal position and its something to explore while I wait for the police to reply explaining how and why they came to the decision they did. If we proceed to the small claims court I would of course be asking for costs to be taken into consideration and I can petition the small claims court in the Uk online.

wrighar, I do still believe that I am the legal owner despite a new V5 being issued as it was sold without my knowledge or consent, my V5 pre dates the new one, the DVLA have told me that if recovered they will issue a new one in my name and the fact that it was purchased without a V5 for a fraction of its true value by someone who wasn't the legal owner.

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Silvert88 just playing devils advocate as there are always two sides to any story and we are only getting one :wink:

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