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 Post subject: Speed of LGVs
PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2020 6:05 pm 
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Has anything changed regarding the max speed of LGVs recently?
I'm not sure if it's my imagination but I'm sure a lot seem to be doing more than 56 these days, whilst I haven't gone to the trouble of matching speed with one they seem to take longer to catch and pass whdn travelling at 70-75 on motorways

Has anybody else noticed this?

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 Post subject: Re: Speed of LGVs
PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2020 6:22 pm 
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Looking at the Gov Website, suggests nothing has changed (based on my knowledge)?

As an aside to the law, I don't think 56mph was ever a statute speed limit. It was the speed set on the limiter to ensure compliance to the law despite variances (accepted tolerances) in the speed reading on the dash gauge?

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 Post subject: Re: Speed of LGVs
PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2020 6:44 pm 
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Not seen a Sprinter going that slow unless at the traffic lights.

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 Post subject: Re: Speed of LGVs
PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2020 7:29 pm 
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The vehicle speed limit for HGV's, (using old wording because the modern LGV can be interpreted as light or large) is 60 mph

On top of that you have EU legislation on speed limiters. The majority of HGV's have an obligation to have the speed limit set at no more than 90 kmh, or 56 mph. Many have them set lower, perhaps at 52 mph

I suppose it is possible that with little traffic on the road, some of the fleets have moved their vehicle limits up to 56 mph.

Tachographs are accurate, unlike speedometers, which is why it is especially frustrating to go through roadworks at 45 mph, because the car in front thinks it's doing nearly 50.

No legislation changes I am aware of since HGV limits on single carriageway roads in England and Wales (not Scotland) were increased from 40 mph to 50 mph about 3 years ago.


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 Post subject: Re: Speed of LGVs
PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2020 7:57 pm 
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carrera wrote:
The vehicle speed limit for HGV's, (using old wording because the modern LGV can be interpreted as light or large) is 60 mph

Tachographs are accurate, unlike speedometers, which is why it is especially frustrating to go through roadworks at 45 mph, because the car in front thinks it's doing nearly 50.



Now that they are raising the limit through motorway roadworks to 60mph maybe the LGV/HGV's won't run 6' off the rear bumper of cars getting frustrated if they are limited to 56mph.

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 Post subject: Re: Speed of LGVs
PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2020 8:03 pm 
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Indeed

The plans were announced a couple of years ago when it was realised that the stress levels for all drivers were greatly increased by the 50 limit. It's taken a while to actually do what was proposed


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 Post subject: Re: Speed of LGVs
PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2020 6:18 am 
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What i am noticing on a daily basis (i drive for a living) is the aggression from EU truck drivers. Got to say i dont see this from UK plate trucks, just ones from the EU.
In the 50mph zone on the M4 (30 miles worth), EU trucks will sit right on the bumper of a car or van at 53mph sometimes flashing their lights and pushing the vehicle in front out of the way just so they can get up to 54/55mph in the average speed zone. I saw one yesterday doing this and i swear there was only 3ft between the truck and the small van in front. Nuts......
Honestly im seeing this daily at the moment. Sometimes makes me wish i was a copper.

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 Post subject: Re: Speed of LGVs
PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2020 6:39 am 
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The bit that amuses me is vans on dual carriageway a-roads.

99% don't seem to know that the speed limit is 60mph for them, and it only increases to 70mph on a motorway.

But there's never a copper around when you want one.

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 Post subject: Re: Speed of LGVs
PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:53 am 
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beardydave wrote:
The bit that amuses me is vans on dual carriageway a-roads.

99% don't seem to know that the speed limit is 60mph for them, and it only increases to 70mph on a motorway.

But there's never a copper around when you want one.


Just as well there wasn't. Lets just say a 2.8 Movano (works van borrowed) picks up speed very quickly ;)


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 Post subject: Re: Speed of LGVs
PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2020 12:37 pm 
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paul99 wrote:
beardydave wrote:
The bit that amuses me is vans on dual carriageway a-roads.

99% don't seem to know that the speed limit is 60mph for them, and it only increases to 70mph on a motorway.

But there's never a copper around when you want one.


Just as well there wasn't. Lets just say a 2.8 Movano (works van borrowed) picks up speed very quickly ;)


It's a Vauxhall 'innit. Everyone should know that the world land speed record is really held by a 1.3 Bedford Astravan


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 Post subject: Re: Speed of LGVs
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Never mind lgv, I had an artic with loaded flatbed trailer doing 70mph on the A1, and that wasn't downhill.

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 Post subject: Re: Speed of LGVs
PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:12 pm 
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A year or so back on the almost deserted A4 in France between Metz and Reims we were sitting on the cruise control at 130Kph (81mph). i noticed a vehicle with full beams on coming up behind at warp speed. When it went past, it must have been doing 200kph (120mph), it was a BMW 7 series with a trailer. The boat on the trailer was bigger than the car!! :o

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 Post subject: Re: Speed of LGVs
PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:46 pm 
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paul99 wrote:
beardydave wrote:
The bit that amuses me is vans on dual carriageway a-roads.

99% don't seem to know that the speed limit is 60mph for them, and it only increases to 70mph on a motorway.

But there's never a copper around when you want one.


Just as well there wasn't. Lets just say a 2.8 Movano (works van borrowed) picks up speed very quickly ;)


We had the same issue with our 200bhp Transit works van, a few of the drivers picked up points.


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 Post subject: Re: Speed of LGVs
PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:11 pm 
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Back in the 70's we had trouble specifying works vans that could tow compressors up and down the steep hills around High Wycombe. We had a contract with BL. Their solution was to supply police specification Sherpa vans. When you weren't towing anything a Sherpa van with a 150hp Rover V8 engine was "exciting"!! :o OK in a straight line, but scary...

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 Post subject: Re: Speed of LGVs
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Back in the 80's, my Dad was an Ambulance man (when they were just that). His favourite of the fleet was the Transit based 3.0 V6, as he could actually make proper progress in it!
I doubt modern ambulances can perform so well? Or they're just not allowed to get their foot in so much these days? :corn:

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Back in the 70's we had trouble specifying works vans that could tow compressors up and down the steep hills around High Wycombe. We had a contract with BL. Their solution was to supply police specification Sherpa vans. When you weren't towing anything a Sherpa van with a 150hp Rover V8 engine was "exciting"!! :o OK in a straight line, but scary...

The chap who re-covered the seats in my Sonett had one. He took me out in it. I concur that it was scary.


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 Post subject: Re: Speed of LGVs
PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 11:22 am 
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Not seen a Sprinter going that slow unless at the traffic lights.


Yes there is not enough money in it if I only did 56 Mph :D :D

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 Post subject: Re: Speed of LGVs
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Back in the 80's, my Dad was an Ambulance man (when they were just that). His favourite of the fleet was the Transit based 3.0 V6, as he could actually make proper progress in it!
I doubt modern ambulances can perform so well? Or they're just not allowed to get their foot in so much these days? :corn:


Probably not as quick due to the weight of ambulances now compared to back then.
Far more equipment is carried, which goes hand in hand with better trained crews etc...

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Paul Taylor wrote:
What i am noticing on a daily basis (i drive for a living) is the aggression from EU truck drivers. Got to say i dont see this from UK plate trucks, just ones from the EU.
In the 50mph zone on the M4 (30 miles worth), EU trucks will sit right on the bumper of a car or van at 53mph sometimes flashing their lights and pushing the vehicle in front out of the way just so they can get up to 54/55mph in the average speed zone. I saw one yesterday doing this and i swear there was only 3ft between the truck and the small van in front. Nuts......
Honestly im seeing this daily at the moment. Sometimes makes me wish i was a copper.

Well, there isn't much enforcement, is there. I bet they wouldn't do it in Germany.


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 Post subject: Re: Speed of LGVs
PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2020 6:05 pm 
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Hmm. It they are up your rear number plate there can't be much chance of a conviction for them either in an average speed managed roadworks.
I noticed a couple of weeks ago on a round trip to Cardiff that there are number of Lgvs easily managing the mid-60s.

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