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 Post subject: Re: DKM669K 4dr 99
PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:04 pm 
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Thanks folks, I'm really enjoying seeing the details on this car with it being the oldest 99 I've had.
Jim, the door is always open to you, as it is to anyone on here I suppose! I'm always on the go on a Friday afternoon if you fancy a coffee!

The rear passenger is the best outer arch on the car so I was hopeful for the inner arch, and despite surface rust under dry black underseal it really isn't bad. maybe a bit early to say but I don't think I'll be near it with the welder.....
Unbelievably the nuts came off the shock with zero hassle..
The other side I know will be a different story.

** It's interesting seeing how different the inner arch and shock mount are to later cars, any idea what the reasoning for this was?

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 Post subject: Re: DKM669K 4dr 99
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 Post subject: Re: DKM669K 4dr 99
PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:19 pm 
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As suspected the drivers side is considerably worse!

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to be fair it's not bad for being nearly 47 :-)

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 Post subject: Re: DKM669K 4dr 99
PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 4:21 pm 
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Ian, at least both inner and outer arch repair sections are available, which would cover a lot of the corrosion in one hit.
Unfortunately, as you've said before, the rest has to either be cut from a donor car or made up.
Don't be disheartened by it all and keep tackling a bit at a time. You'll get there and end up with a 99 that you know the condition of and can enjoy for years to come.

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 Post subject: Re: DKM669K 4dr 99
PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 11:45 am 
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Cheers Will, the more I look at it the more I think it can be saved without cutting up another, I got the Klokkerholm tunnel panels yesterday, and while not exact replicas they are a really solid repair solution, I got a rear outer arch too but will definitely need to give the tub some love.. fortunately the rear swing arm mounts are solid...
Has anyone experience of fitting the Klokkerholm combined tunnel repair panel to a 99? it looks like it will be awkward to wrestle in with the tower repaired

Are these original shocks or aftermarket? ImageUntitled by ianlaw99, on Flickr

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 Post subject: Re: DKM669K 4dr 99
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So the cutting begins! This panel had to come out to repair/replace it, and the belly pan and the top of the chassis rail that goes all the way back to below the drivers seat. at the bottom of the tower there is a double seam, where the tower, leg, and belly pan all form a sandwich,most of this is missing in 2 of the 3 layers, the leg is still quite good, and a reasonable amount of the belly pan is included in the tunnel repair panel, unfortunately not nearly enough for this poor 99.

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 Post subject: Re: DKM669K 4dr 99
PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 3:05 pm 
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Oh dear Ian.

I have some T-cut, filler, and a very good sweeping brush if you would like a loan!

Then when you're finished with that you can come and fix the inner wings on my Viva ;)

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 Post subject: Re: DKM669K 4dr 99
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Oh dear Ian.

I have some T-cut, filler, and a very good sweeping brush if you would like a loan!

Then when you're finished with that you can come and fix the inner wings on my Viva ;)

http://oi66.tinypic.com/33ldtmf.jpg


Yes please! is it a family sized tub of filler? might even need some wire mesh!

it's a serious task to remove the whole belly pan, and being honest, as this isn't about restoring the car, and more about preserving as much of it as I can i've started cutting out soft bits
This bit had a hole in it, the steel brush on the grinder found it no problem
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small, localised patch welded in, a bit of buffing still to do on it and a few more to do in this area before cleaning it all up and treating it.

I feel like if I get one bit solid and stable it's ok to cut the bit next to it, rather than ending up with it all on the floor and no reference points.

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 Post subject: Re: DKM669K 4dr 99
PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:48 pm 
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Ian, you are one crazy puppy and we all love you for it :D

Let me know if you want my donor shell or if you are sorted regarding panels?

Oh and don't go round casually mentioning the existence of a GLE up there, Olly will have a fit! :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: DKM669K 4dr 99
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Ian, you are one crazy puppy and we all love you for it :D

Let me know if you want my donor shell or if you are sorted regarding panels?

Oh and don't go round casually mentioning the existence of a GLE up there, Olly will have a fit! :lol:


Thanks Peter, we all have a little bit of the same problem!!
In all honesty I think I can sort the shell without cutting another one up, having had a week or so to think about it I may not end up popping down for your one, if that's ok?
However should it be heading to scrap then I would maybe try and get down for it anyway but maybe later in the year :-)

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 Post subject: Re: DKM669K 4dr 99
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No problem. The offer of beer and lodgings stands so see how you get on.

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 Post subject: Re: DKM669K 4dr 99
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Peter, in that case I might just come down for the fun of it :-)

This panel was removed yesterday and it felt like it made sense to sort it whilst all the metal it attached to was still there to aid guessing what it was supposed to look like, fortunately the other side is pretty much a mirror image which helped a lot...
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Trying to keep as much Swedish steel as possible!ImageUntitled by ianlaw99, on Flickr
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** edit, there's about 2 1/2 hours taking it to that stage, it's going to be a long road at that pace :-)

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 Post subject: Re: DKM669K 4dr 99
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I was in past last night to have a look, and you are making a good job of what you have done already, keep it up :D
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 Post subject: Re: DKM669K 4dr 99
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Ha I'm sure you will be needed when it comes to the more intricate fabrications Dad :lol:
Your skills seem to have rubbed off on your son eh..
Yeah good work so far Ian.. I'm sure you'll manage to complete it..

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 Post subject: Re: DKM669K 4dr 99
PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 8:44 pm 
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Ha I'm sure you will be needed when it comes to the more intricate fabrications Dad :lol:
Your skills seem to have rubbed off on your son eh..
Yeah good work so far Ian.. I'm sure you'll manage to complete it..


Cheers, and it's handy having dad to ask, I'm going on his theory of not moving on to the next stage til you're completely happy with the bit you're on, learning a lot though.
Main thing I've learned is don't buy a car unseen, and don't take it to bits in a place that means you can't get it out to scrap it, you have to finish it to get it rolling to get it outside. There will be better shells than this scrapped for years yet and the low value of a 4 door 99 means this car is lucky it's getting saved!

Tonight's photo probably illustrates how rotten the driver's side tower, belly pan, inner wing are, there will be a lot more metal to come out but this will let me sort the tower and inner and outer tunnel, then work across the belly pan and inner wings. Don't worry, I've taken lots of measurements.
My eyes watered slightly cutting the end off the crossmember..
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 Post subject: Re: DKM669K 4dr 99
PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:54 pm 
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Tonight has been fun, only got two little bits of steel to show for it, they need dressed and fitted but great fun making them, still the rearmost part of the tower to make, I'd like to weld these on the bench and put them in as one. About 2 1/2 hours on these.
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 Post subject: Re: DKM669K 4dr 99
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Out of curiosity, has anyone fitted the Klokkerholm combined tunnel repair panel? And if so am I right in saying it’s designed to fit the bottom side of the chassis rail coming from the floor?
It’s a superbly sturdy panel that’s a godsend to many 99s but I’m curious to hear fitting stories. My car is so rotten it’s difficult to see what was there before!

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 Post subject: Re: DKM669K 4dr 99
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Don't know if you'll get any info off of this Saab Site Ian...

http://saabisti.fi/front-section-welding-saab-99-turbo/

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 Post subject: Re: DKM669K 4dr 99
PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 4:12 pm 
Well done that man. Great to see an old un like that being saved


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I’m impressed with this panel!

If you do end up going down South then give me a shout. I have an exhaust that needs collecting if you want to fund the trip. I’d much rather pay you than a courier!


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