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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:54 pm 
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Wednesday night some scrote has rummaged around in my car. Left all contents from the glove box and arm rest on the passenger seat including an old TomTom and an iPhone 5s that I keep in the car for emergencies.

They only stole 4 or 5 quid in coins and my can of Coke I keep in the glove box. Little B@stards :evil:

Also released the handbrake and left drivers door wide open. No damage at all. I bet they were impressed with the dash cup holder. That was out and I never use that....

Now the fun part is that you can buy a relay box for less than hundred quid and that's what they use to get in your cars.

The relay box picks up a signal from your car key on the kitchen cupboard and unlocks your car for them to do whatever they want.

I don't know if they unlock the car and come back after a while as misses Ray's Merc wasn't raided but I know when you unlock hers it locks itself again after 30 seconds if doors haven't been opened.

Nine cars have been done in our cul-de-sac Wednesday night and quite a few more in surrounding areas the same night and last night.

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Get some of these: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2-x-Car-Key-Signal-Blocker-Case-Faraday-Cage-Fob-Pouch-Keyless-RFID-Blocking-Bag/392055404204?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649

Or stick your car keys in a metal biscuit jar or even wrap them in tin foil. No, I've not gone mad... :loco:

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:09 pm 
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What car do you have? This happens to cars with keyless entry doesn't it?

Sorry to hear about it happening to you.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:18 pm 
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I should only be cars with keypressless entry where they can capture and transmit the signal. Any fob requiring a button press to unlock is safe.

Just moved my track car to a remote site while we have building works.

Has been parked for 6 years come 1st Dec.

Started first time

Has been unlocked for 6 yrs.... note on all parcel deliveries if we are out. 'Leave in Black Saab'. Never had a problem with any break ins...

I often find the wifes car unlocked when I go to work in the mornings. She only uses it 2-3 times a week now she's not working.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:31 pm 
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The keyless entry cars require two people to unluck your car. One to get the code from your key and then transmit it to the other to unlock the car.

These work on old cars with just the one box hence they only target cars parked in front of houses.

Mine is a 2006 9-3 but others were a 308 Peugeot another Saab 93 saloon a vectra merc sprinter van and bmw mini

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 12:51 am 
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Sorry to hear about the break in to your car Ray but at least they didn't damage anything.
Those key bags worth getting then?
Or like you say use something else around the house that works.

Edit. Just put mine in a metal tin....:lol:

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 7:34 am 
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I didn't think that 9-3ss had keyless entry? Have I been missing something major? Or is it more sinister in that they were watching when you locked it to capture the signal?

I've found my 9-3ss unlocked before. I had sat on the key.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 8:09 am 
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I didn't think that 9-3ss had keyless entry? Have I been missing something major? Or is it more sinister in that they were watching when you locked it to capture the signal?

I've found my 9-3ss unlocked before. I had sat on the key.


It doesn't

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 8:22 am 
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TwyRob wrote:
I didn't think that 9-3ss had keyless entry? Have I been missing something major? Or is it more sinister in that they were watching when you locked it to capture the signal?

I've found my 9-3ss unlocked before. I had sat on the key.


Mid-90s and early-00s remote keys were vulnerable to this as they used a fixed signal which was easy to capture and relay. More modern remote fobs are hardened against capture and relay techniques.

The problem with the latest keless entry systems is they are 2 way communication devices so setting up a relay point between them is electrically very simple to do. This is what enables this new wave of crime to exist. Basically the manufacturers have built a system to make life easier, even for the criminals. On most cars there doesnt seem to be an obvious way of disabling the system either.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 8:33 am 
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Range Rover key less now have a system where is the key is static it won't transmit a signal so hanging up by the front door - zilch.
Faraday bags seem the only solution - tins etc is possibly old wives tales.....was watching a programme earlier this week.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 9:09 am 
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TwyRob wrote:
I didn't think that 9-3ss had keyless entry? Have I been missing something major? Or is it more sinister in that they were watching when you locked it to capture the signal?

I've found my 9-3ss unlocked before. I had sat on the key.


They're not keyless entry Rob, hence this kid is doing it on his own. If the key is in range of the car it'll open. These boxes are for sale for as little as 100 quid which is reassuring...

I think on new cars this doesn't work no more as the newest car on my street that was done is a 14 plate.

I think with the amount of cctv footage popping up online somebody is in need of a straw soon...

I've ordered some of those bags so they should be here soon. In the mean time keys are living in a tin. Yes, this does work, so does putting your keys in the fridge.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 9:16 am 
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Raymond wrote:
TwyRob wrote:
I didn't think that 9-3ss had keyless entry? Have I been missing something major? Or is it more sinister in that they were watching when you locked it to capture the signal?

I've found my 9-3ss unlocked before. I had sat on the key.


They're not keyless entry Rob, hence this kid is doing it on his own. If the key is in range of the car it'll open. These boxes are for sale for as little as 100 quid which is reassuring...

I think on new cars this doesn't work no more as the newest car on my street that was done is a 14 plate.

I think with the amount of cctv footage popping up online somebody is in need of a straw soon...

I've ordered some of those bags so they should be here soon. In the mean time keys are living in a tin. Yes, this does work, so does putting your keys in the fridge.



To unlock your car, they would have had to have pushed the button on the fob, to generate the unlock signal for them to either use within range, or capture and transmit with a pair of boxes.

I can't see that putting the keys in a tin will help there, as the key is inactive until a button is pressed.

Now, for starting and unlocked car, yes that is proximity. Even that is hard, as that part of the key is not battery powered, but energised (Near field charging style) by the key hole, which generates enough poser in the key stub to power the chip which sync with the car security.
To generate enough 'power' to activate the key from any significant distance must be massive.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 9:21 am 
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Stick the box on the street somewhere in the morning. People unlock their cars, go to work.

Come back in the even when everyones home, unlock all the cars with a spoof keypress.

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Stick the box on the street somewhere in the morning. People unlock their cars, go to work.

Come back in the even when everyones home, unlock all the cars with a spoof keypress.


Seems a more valid MO than trying to scan inherently passive keys.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 9:53 am 
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beardydave wrote:
Stick the box on the street somewhere in the morning. People unlock their cars, go to work.

Come back in the even when everyones home, unlock all the cars with a spoof keypress.


Except every key press generates a different code and the key and car need to be in sync. Any codes used and no longer valid :-)

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We had an attempted car break in a few days back. I cannot post any pictures as the police are investigating and have asked me not too.

I woke up to find an email on my phone with a Movement alarm on the front door cctv camera at 2.40am.
There was some guy at the door (got a clear shot of his face) and he was waving a large device against the front door.
Luckily i keep my Merc keys in a metal box, so for him this was not going to work.
Checked the main drive camera at the same time and some other guy is trying the door handles on my car.
They only tried for about 35 seconds and then they were gone and walked up the road.

If seems the one who was at the front door is "Known", so has been arrested for Going Equipped.

Thats twice now my home CCTV has paid for itself.
They are so cheap now, a 1TB DVR with 4 cabled cameras can be had for 200 quid. No brainer.
The last 2 kids that Attempted to break in to the house spent 2yrs in winchester prison. They are out now but have to wear GPS tracking bracelets for another 2yrs.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 8:05 pm 
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To unlock your car, they would have had to have pushed the button on the fob, to generate the unlock signal for them to either use within range, or capture and transmit with a pair of boxes.


I’m only going by what the interviewing police investigators told me.

The keys apparently are not inactive and signal can be picked up with whatever box they use.

They have not entered my house to press the key fob and I certainly didn’t in the middle of the night.

Faraday cases have arrived today so see how that goes. Two streets up someone been done 5 times on both their van and car.

Can’t have anything these days. Why don’t they just get a job. Thieving swines!

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wrighar wrote:
beardydave wrote:
Stick the box on the street somewhere in the morning. People unlock their cars, go to work.

Come back in the even when everyones home, unlock all the cars with a spoof keypress.


Except every key press generates a different code and the key and car need to be in sync. Any codes used and no longer valid :-)


Well, at least that is a bit reassuring. I bet the little b@stard will be back in a few weeks time. See how we go. It's a good job I'm asleep last the time of night these things happen or I'll get locked up for intentionally breaking peoples legs..

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2018 3:17 pm 
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Two streets up someone been done 5 times on both their van and car.
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They're on a steep learning curve, then.

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Why don’t they just get a job. Thieving swines!


It probably is their job.


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my shed got a visit from a junkie scrote at the weekend so i know a little how you feel matey suck dunnit
just think it could of been worse
if only they could of run emself over when they let the handbrake off east seventeen bloke styley

my car was broken into when it was snowing and the battery was off and on charge :D
so that could of been worse new lock cylinder was 8 quid back then battery back on all good again

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