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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 6:59 pm 
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Car Model: 9-5 stg4 RIP :( 9-3 TiD auto
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I'm currently running about 26.5 MPG in the noobed 9-5 wagon. I believe the 9-3 TiD would return almost twice that, although less fun.

What should I be looking at as a potential buyer?
Manual 9-3 circa 2006/7 TiD estates seem to be in my price range.
I'm sticking with SAAB, and estate cars, once you've had either it's hard to not have one in your life.

Advice/experience welcome.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:13 pm 
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Car Model: 9-5 Aero est. 9-3 Carlsson
The 9-3 is considerably smaller inside. The front seat bases are shorter and not as supportive. The 2007 9-3 has the newer interior and dashboard/audio.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:43 pm 
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Car Model: 9-5 stg4 RIP :( 9-3 TiD auto
Thanks, I'll be sure to check out the comfort in relation to my superb 9-5 armchairs, I'm going to view a couple tomorrow.

I'm fairly used to the 9-5s issues, pcv sump drop etc.

I know dpf, egr, dmf issues are common problem areas on modern diesels, anything specific to the 1.9 saab unit I should be wary of?

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:49 pm 
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Car Model: 93 2007 Tid vert 93 2000 vert
My 2008 vert Tid is on 35.9 MPG,
So I don't think you will get double 26.5 MPG
unless you are Miss Daisy. :D

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:54 pm 
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Car Model: TTid's only now :-(
I transitioned reasonable well from a 2003 9-5 Aero stg3 with all the goodies to a 9-3 Aero TTid with all the same goodies and more.

While the 9-5 was spacious and fast, the Aero TTid is just as fast where it's legal, and used 50% of the fuel (23.5 mpg super unleaded vs 44mpg any old derv).

I had no issues with DPF or EGR, and just coming up to DMF failure when written off this summer at 10yrs old/116,500m

Usual things are springs and alternators.

Build quality isn't as good, but handling is better. (I test drove a 1998 9-5 linear or arc when new and hated the handling, but the 9-5 Aero was much better 5 yrs later), the std 9-3 Aero is even better.

Get a MY'08 on TTid 180bhp and the fun is still there, and 400nm of torque at 2000rpm is really great!
I've stayed 9-3 2.8v6 aero's at 250bhp without issue due to buckets of low end torque.

Also, the 150 tid's will take a 180+ map well :-)

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:25 pm 
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Car Model: 9-5 stg4 RIP :( 9-3 TiD auto
After tuning the 9-5, I'm well aware what that slippery slope entails!
I'm fully intending to keep it stock, purely with cost saving in mind.

Insurance quote on a 1.9TiD is only £125 cheaper than the fully declared mods on my 9-5 :loco:

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 8:04 am 
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Working 9-5 wrote:
After tuning the 9-5, I'm well aware what that slippery slope entails!
I'm fully intending to keep it stock, purely with cost saving in mind.

Insurance quote on a 1.9TiD is only £125 cheaper than the fully declared mods on my 9-5 :loco:



Yes, I paid for my £8,000 9-3 Aero TTid in under 4 yrs with savings annually of £150 RFL, £1,400 fuel, £100 ins (£6,600 in 4 yrs), add to that the £1,700 I got selling the 9-5, the free service and 4 new tyres saved (£600) and the £1,000 of work the 9-5 needed, and a 60,000m/5yr newer car I was winning big time.

At 4 yrs that £8,000 car had saved my £10,000 of cash.
At 6 yrs it had saved me £13,200 and I was given £3,460 as a write off (and had just got to the point at 116,500m where it was needing brakes, tyres, cambelt, waterpump, battery, DMF and PAS Pump (impact damage) etc which would have cost about £3000 of work to repair along with accident damage).

Shame it only made it to 6 yrs ownership with me

I added an extra £1,000 and bought a newer 55,000m 9-3 TTid Aero to replace it.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 10:49 am 
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If you are going from a 9-5 estate to a 9-3 estate the main thing to look out for is whether you can put up with what is possibly one of the ugliest estates on the road from the B pillar back!

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 5:03 pm 
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Having suffered a TiD 9-3SS I wouldn't touch another diesel Saab. Go for a D5 Volvo estate and enjoy more mpg and bigger boot.

I know some folks are totally happy with derv in a Saab but you just see too many not very old cars being written off with blocked DPFs etc.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 7:03 pm 
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Car Model: 9k, 9-5 Aero & a Jaaag
I ran a 9-3 TTiD for nearly 2 years:

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... and it was mostly OK, I did get an issue with the EGR valve - but cleaning it seemed to sort that one. However, due to doing short-ish journeys (20 mile each way commute) I got rid of it as I thought I'd end up with more DPF/EGR issues. To me it was actually quite attractive looking from the 'B' pillar back, especially the rear light clusters :-)

If the OP is doing long distance driving, a 9-3 diesel should be fine - the only toy as such on a 9-5 that I don't think you can get on a 9-3 is ventilated seats ...

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 7:32 pm 
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sounds wrote:
To me it was actually quite attractive looking from the 'B' pillar back, especially the rear light clusters...



How can you think that? The thick roof line, the silly looking window at the back and the horrible clear lights, have you no soul! :D

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 7:33 pm 
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Car Model: 9k, 9-5 Aero & a Jaaag
... I now drive a 9-5 :lol:

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 10:28 pm 
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Car Model: 9-5 stg4 RIP :( 9-3 TiD auto
Thanks all!

Having a foot in both in both camps now, I have to be diplomatic about the aesthetics :mrgreen:

I'm picking up a 9-3 TiD auto estate tomorrow, and it's wearing its 140k miles well. The place I opted to buy from is a saab specialist, and I could tell from how well the car was prepared that it was the best available in my price range.

I really couldn't find much to fault with it, whereas the other one I viewed this morning in a similar price bracket had CEL, poor brakes, faulty head unit, needed aircon regas, bodywork dings, knocking suspension, dead battery, limp mode engaged and no cover for the luggage compartment.

A few hundred quid difference was well worth it.

Might have to change my username now!

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2018 11:28 am 
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wrighar wrote:
I transitioned reasonable well from a 2003 9-5 Aero stg3 with all the goodies to a 9-3 Aero TTid with all the same goodies and more.

While the 9-5 was spacious and fast, the Aero TTid is just as fast where it's legal, and used 50% of the fuel (23.5 mpg super unleaded vs 44mpg any old derv).

I had no issues with DPF or EGR, and just coming up to DMF failure when written off this summer at 10yrs old/116,500m

Usual things are springs and alternators.

Build quality isn't as good, but handling is better. (I test drove a 1998 9-5 linear or arc when new and hated the handling, but the 9-5 Aero was much better 5 yrs later), the std 9-3 Aero is even better.

Get a MY'08 on TTid 180bhp and the fun is still there, and 400nm of torque at 2000rpm is really great!
I've stayed 9-3 2.8v6 aero's at 250bhp without issue due to buckets of low end torque.

Also, the 150 tid's will take a 180+ map well :-)


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2018 12:19 pm 
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No Linears or Arcs in 1998. They came with the 2001 Facelift. In 1998 you coul get base or SE only



How dare he misremember something from 20 years ago, he should be blocked from the forum!!

Moderators, do your duty! :D

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2018 12:46 pm 
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Car Model: TTid's only now :-(
bpetersb wrote:
welshwizard wrote:

No Linears or Arcs in 1998. They came with the 2001 Facelift. In 1998 you coul get base or SE only



How dare he misremember something from 20 years ago, he should be blocked from the forum!!

Moderators, do your duty! :D


Now I need to remember if the metallic baby poo brown car was a 2001 Arc of Linear, or was it a earlier Base/SE.

It was with the current Mrs Wright, who I've been with for 15.5 yrs, and it was a traded in car, so that doesn't clear it up much, but probably at least 18.5yr old car now.

I do remember clearly is rolled like a boat in a storm and took armfuls of lock to get round corners nervously.

Edit: 263 Copper Bronze.

og9-5 263 Copper Bronze Kopparbrons mm 1998-1999

That would have been base or SE then

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 9:57 pm 
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Car Model: 9-5 stg4 RIP :( 9-3 TiD auto
Well 80 odd miles in two days, and it's safe to say the handling is considerably sportier.
The seats are slightly different but just as comfy IMHO. Interior is more modern but not as well screwed together as the 9-5. This particular car has excellent bodywork with minor interior niggles.

It's certainly a different take on driving, being wafted about in an autobox diesel.
The 9-5 was always egging me on to put the right foot down, whereas the 9-3 is just really relaxed bumbling about within the speed limit.

Ave mpg is 38, almost 1/3 better according to the SID, I'll be checking that on the next fill.

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