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PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 10:26 am 
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That, and a lot of burgers... Maybe they could get me to drive it :D


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 1:27 pm 
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That, and a lot of burgers... Maybe they could get me to drive it :D



If Neo's are cooking then make it kebabs and i'll do it !! :shock:

Getting hungry just at the thought of a 'neo's special' :park:

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2011 7:00 pm 
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Just out of interest, is it going to be road legal? If it is, can I hire it for a few days? :mrgreen:


Yes, shall be totally road legal - not too sure about hiring it :lol: ...

...you never know, you may be able to blag a passenger ride when it's ready though!

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Such a fantastic project and looking well but I wouldn't get your hopes up for it passing the iva
Not wanting to put a downer on the work that you have put in to this project but the fact that you are using the 9-3 as the base ( thus giving you the points you need ), but putting you in to the less than 10 year old class you will have to pass all the new regs eg external radius ( gutters will fail ) not much of an issue .

The main issue will be the fact that you have chopped all the crumple zones and H.C.S/H.S.S safety cages out of the car and replaced it with 1970's mild steel ( granted the thickest of the time ! )
Even with an after market roll cage fitted ( with all the joints padded to pass ) the car will fail the test as its been " repaired " out side of the M.R.R.T that all vehicles built after 2002 must be repaired to under
PASS 125 as part of this any welded " repairs " have to be made with a data recordable timed spot welder ( Mine cost £15k ) and thats for H.C.S to H.C.S Any other joints have to be done with a MAG welder.

I'm sorry but I just don't see how this car would pass an Insurance repair inspection let alone an IVA
you would have been better off just modin the '74 96 shell to take the b207 engine then all you would have to worry about would be the emissions test ( done on the age of the engine not the car )

This is only my view but is taken from a bodyshop manager, who modifies cars and have had previous issues with SVA, and is based on 18 years in the repair industry and the regulations in place at the moment

Again not ment to to put a downer on such a fantastic project and it will be amazing when finished
Good Luck I will be watching with interest
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2011 7:06 pm 
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Sorry for those not in the body industry

H.C.S is High Carbon Steel

H.S.S is High Strength Steel

M.R.R.T are Manufactures Recomended Repair Techniques ( some of these are bonkers ! )

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I guess it'll just make one hell of a track car then.....................providing that it meets all the regs for that ! :?

Has the world gone mad ??

I can see the point of SOME of this gumff but looking at some of death traps that are still on our roads today i dont consider something such as this which will be purpose built to be half as bad as some of the sheds i've seen passing MOT's just recently :loco:

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2011 7:37 pm 
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I totally agree for example If I where to fit a b234 turbo engine in to a bog stock moggy it WOULD NOT NEED IVA but if I where to uprate the rest or the running gear to handle the extra power it would !!!
As for the mrrt it means the on a '04 bmw 535 I HAVE to pop rivit the B-post in to the car and use glue in the joint oh and leave it all on show !!!!!!

The above was not ment to be a dig at the project in anyway but just an eye opener as to what vosa are like .

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No its still gonna be an awesome machine regardless 8)

I hope the boys at Neo's don't lose heart with this project in light of this new info , it would be such a shame to give up on it now .

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2011 9:23 pm 
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No its still gonna be an awesome machine regardless 8)

I hope the boys at Neo's don't lose heart with this project in light of this new info , it would be such a shame to give up on it now .


There is a whole heap of cars being and been built in this manner, I’m sure whatever needs doing can and will be done, the ford boys have been chopping out Sierra floor pans and welding them into all sorts of motors without problems.

Nova - http://passionford.com/forum/restoratio ... h-4x4.html

Focus – http://passionford.com/forum/restoratio ... rseal.html

And a finished one MK3 Escort- http://passionford.com/forum/restoratio ... -08-a.html

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 7:41 am 
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Sadly its all down to the age of the donor car
As all the mechanical bits and running gear are from a 2004 my car then the finished project will have to fall in line with the regs for a car of that age
The Sierra and the nissan thats linked in this thread are both 80's/90's vehicles and fall out side these regs due to age and no high carbon steels etc are used in there construction

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Some awesome fabrication work on that focus thread ! Image

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 11:54 pm 
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Hi again all,

sweedspeeduk, thanks for the valuable information and heads up. We did initially have intentions to make this a road legal vehicle but the statement above was said with slight tongue in cheek. We appreciate a heck of a lot of work is needed to get the vehicle IVA approved, but with us wanting to use so much of the key components that are strengths from the 9-3 Sport, we wouldn't have been able to pass the vehicle under the regulations that govern a 96. We are going to focus our attention on making it an out and out track car and showpiece (should be able to shed a heck of a lot more weight now too :lol: ).

No offence taken to your comments and we appreciate it's not a dig sweedspeeduk, certainly an eye opener :shock: . Definitely no heart has been lost on the project, you know us - we have to finish what we've started and make it the best we possibly can.

The support is great chaps, keep an eye out for an update tomorrow.

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I only just found this thread..and i have to say what a flattering 1st picture (I had been in my old workshop..a ex commercial greenhouse and it was a HOT day) :oops:
Great work guys..when you told me what you had planned I thought it sounded :loco: but it's going to look great by the time you have done.
If you still have and dont need the OSF inner wing i would be interested in buying it back.
Oh! and i will gladly accept that ride offered when done :wink:
R.E. the fitting of a 96 onto a wider body..look to SAAB's history.
The SAAB "Toad" was a 96 (the 99 prototype)..split down the middle..widened to accomodate a wider engine..
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 10:18 pm 
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I was looking for that car John, I thought it was called the 'monster' though - but that's a twin engined stroker. Suffive to say I couldn't find it anywhere, so I'm glad you did!

They did an incredible job with that bonnet, it's not just two welded together, it looks totally bespoke!?!



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I was looking for that car John, I thought it was called the 'monster' though - but that's a twin engined stroker. Suffive to say I couldn't find it anywhere, so I'm glad you did!

They did an incredible job with that bonnet, it's not just two welded together, it looks totally bespoke!?!



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Not just the bonnet..the whole car had to be widened by 20 centimetres..the roof line, dash, floor and boot..even the rear axle.

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The monster is a different car (and painted red IIRC).


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 8:22 am 
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I know the monster is red (now) but also tried searching for a widened 96 and even through images from the Saab Museum. But John came up trumps and was obviously thinking along the same lines. It would be one way to sort out the wider track of the newer car, but having seen those cgi pics with the wide wings and the rear shot taken at Neo's I think it's going to look great as it is!

I get the fact the rest of that car is widened (thanks John), I was just amazed how they've produced the bonnet - it's a work of art, you can't see where they've added extra metal - unlike the 6" inch stripe going down the centre of a Morris Minor bonnet (when Issigonis decided he wanted the car to be wider). It's easy to spot in the grill and the 2-part window though.

Anyway, how's progress?...


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 11:30 am 
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Never seen a proper picture of the toad, before, only drawings.
Thanks for sharing, john.


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there you neo's build an updated Toad

it'll solve most of the problems with the bodywork at a stroke

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I get the fact the rest of that car is widened (thanks John), I was just amazed how they've produced the bonnet - it's a work of art, you can't see where they've added extra metal

Sorry..I didn't mean to insult you..I was just adding that the whole car has had a huge amount of work..and it looks so good from all angles..
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I saw the project today, looks as though it's going to be one amazing car!!! 8) 8) 8)

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