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PostPosted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 11:12 pm 
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DeeDub8 wrote:
"from Japan"???

Is it that easy or are they that cheap in Japan?

Must say I am looking forward to this. I envy anyone who has the skills to even think about taking on a project like this.


Most of our 2nd hand cars come out of Japan, (it's a huge business, supplying ex Japan cars to Africa, Asia, Oceania and Russia). The rolled TX was ex-Japan.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 5:32 am 
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TX rears arent Sachs. They are Boge (now owned by Borg Warner).

Most of the spring rate on self levelling system is in the shock, not the spring, and the extra weight of the wagon body at the rear needs to be held by them, hence why they are different to the saloon. The rear springs on a TX are quite weak.

They work through an internal pump which is activated by movement in the damper. As you drive off with a heavy load the bounce of the car will pump up the pressure to restore the level. Its supposed to work within a few metres. Fitting the wrong spring (such as a regular wagon spring which is much stiffer) will likely affect the operation of the damper. But please try it as if it works ok it could be a good way to stiffen up the rear end.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 5:46 am 
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TX rears arent Sachs. They are Boge (now owned by Borg Warner).

Most of the spring rate on self levelling system is in the shock, not the spring, and the extra weight of the wagon body at the rear needs to be held by them, hence why they are different to the saloon. The rear springs on a TX are quite weak.

They work through an internal pump which is activated by movement in the damper. As you drive off with a heavy load the bounce of the car will pump up the pressure to restore the level. Its supposed to work within a few metres. Fitting the wrong spring (such as a regular wagon spring which is much stiffer) will likely affect the operation of the damper. But please try it as if it works ok it could be a good way to stiffen up the rear end.


Thanks for your advise, my TX is ex-Japan, definitely has Sachs shocks all round (read the label). I'm familiar with the Boge "pump-up" type shock (original Range Rover had one in the middle, which I used to remove quick-smart, then double shock each side.....improved roll no end). I'll go with just fitting the wagon springs, see how it goes.....( unless the wagon arrives with fancy shocks on it....ex-Japan, anything could be fitted).


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 5:55 am 
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Beer Time :)

Engine, transmission, drive train, exhaust and prop-shaft all off the TX. Only casualties, bit of skin off my Knuckles and a few broken clips, and the front gater on the prop-shaft has a split....drive shaft boot should fix that.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 9:02 pm 
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Following with interest. Do you have plans to service the XWD system?

My sort of project when beer time is mentioned :D

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 9:22 pm 
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SaabnScotland wrote:
Following with interest. Do you have plans to service the XWD system?

My sort of project when beer time is mentioned :D


The previous owner had the pump replaced on the eDif, also had a nice protection plate made for it, said he'd changed all fluids when it came in from Japan. Think he'll pay me a visit and leave me with the remaining "gold oil" that he says he has. But, yes I was planning on checking the eDif over, believe there is a filter in there, seen a kit that provides gasket, oil and filter on eBay. Any advise welcome.

Also, noted that the transfer box isn't that well protected, this one has taken a few knocks, looks a little damp along one of the gasket joins. I'm planning on fitting a X bar just in front of the transfer box, supported by the sub-frame, and then I might add an aluminium plate forward. I'll do this when I put this engine into the wagon.

The car has obviously been driven a bit on gravel roads, the fuel tank had heaps of stones/ dirt trapped around the protection plate.

I've sent the 4 wheels off for a repair/ repaint, It had 2x Dunlop Maxx tyres, and 2x Pirrelli ( one needs replacing).....wasn't very happy to find out how much 235/40 19 tyres cost, so looking for 2nd hand at the moment. Personally I'd love to go down the Michelin Pilot route, but $$$ might prevent - any suggestions? The wagon has got winter tyres fitted, and I'm guessing the Aero would have 18inch?


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 9:49 pm 
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In the UK, the TurboX had 18 inch wheels as standard and 19 inch as an option. Same style.

ALU77 18 x 7.5 inch
ALU78 19 x 8 inch

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 9:53 pm 
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sgould wrote:
In the UK, the TurboX had 18 inch wheels as standard and 19 inch as an option. Same style.

ALU77 18 x 7.5 inch
ALU78 19 x 8 inch


Thanks at least that means the Aero wheels will fit, was worried that the 345mm discs meant that the Turbo X had to have 19 inch


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 10:06 pm 
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sgould wrote:
In the UK, the TurboX had 18 inch wheels as standard and 19 inch as an option. Same style.

ALU77 18 x 7.5 inch
ALU78 19 x 8 inch


Thanks at least that means the Aero wheels will fit, was worried that the 345mm discs meant that the Turbo X had to have 19 inch


Some 17ins fit. This is the spare i17 inch.that was supplied with the car.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 10:11 pm 
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The spare is the ALU79 7 x 17 inch


There are even some 17's that will fit over the 345mm brakes. Quite a tight fit on diameter, but most fail by fouling the face of the callipers. You would need spacers to fit those.

Our Carlsson (virtually a TurboX saloon, with extras, runs 18 inch in winter and the 19's in summer

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 11:28 pm 
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I know the Turbo X bonnet is aluminium, is this standard across range? If it's only TX's guess I'll have to try and get it straightened.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 5:14 am 
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Im running 235-45-19 tyres on mine. Over here at least they are slightly cheaper than the 40 sidewall and there are more options available. They also make the ride slightly more comfortable.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 4:21 pm 
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All bonnets are the same. Only one part number listed from 2007-2011.

The bonnet on our Carlsson is aluminium.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 9:21 pm 
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sgould wrote:
All bonnets are the same. Only one part number listed from 2007-2011.

The bonnet on our Carlsson is aluminium.


Excellent - another win.

The engine mounts x2 on the TX are torn .....result of rolling down cliff 40". Pulling the interior out, not sure how much I'm going to use - the Aero has cream seats and lower panels, part of me says change them out and make it a TX, but we have very hot summers here and the cream seats won't burn as much when left in the sun, joys of having 2 good interiors to choose from :)


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2018 7:28 am 
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Getting the interior out of the TX, mostly going well, however huge problem trying to get the steering wheel off. Haynes says turn wheel 45degrees and slot flat ended screw driver into slot to prize airbag off.......well of cause my steering lock is on, when I re-connected battery, basically I think the alarm went off -horn etc, key would unlock /lock doors, but wouldn't release steering lock! Houston, I think we have a problem. Welcome any suggestions. I can see the slot to release airbag, but it is shielded by the plastic around the indicator/ wiper stalks.....might have to wriggle a right angle type flat screw drive into there?


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2018 5:22 am 
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Yup, getting the steering wheel out was a huge pain. Learnt a few things....

First tried to release steering lock by providing power at the fuse box, heard relays tripping but the lock remained....well locked.

Spent hours trying to bend wire etc up through the slot to release the airbag.....failed.

Finally removed complete rack, very boring working upside down in the drivers footwell, but got there in the end.

Once the steering rack was removed, discovered that I could have removed the steering lock from the rack........there is an Allen key located on the lower side of the "box" that is the steering lock, and if you "tighten" yes "tighten" this Allen key the box loosens in it's mount, so eventually you can ease the box off the steering rack, which of cause frees off the steering. :)


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2018 3:55 pm 
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yup, all bonnets are aluminium. i found that out as i dropped my magnetic inspection lamp on my head.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2018 6:39 am 
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So finished stripping the salon X, now waiting for the other to arrive from Japan - due 27 July. I'll keep the shell just in case I need to remove anything else...


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:21 am 
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OK while I wait for the replacement car to arrive, want to do some servicing........starting with the Haldex ediff etc.............so I've bought a new gasket and filter, am I right in thinking that this part of the "diff" takes GM spec oil (0.52ltr) 93165387 ( the attached photo Ravenol AWD-H, seems to meet the spec?)

This is where I think I'm getting confused, the above with the filter is what I think of as the Haldex clutch ???? The eDiff is the "other bit" that the 2 drive shafts exit from, now am I correct that because the Turbo X has the "e" bit, it also has clutch plates in it, therefore also requires GM 93165387 (0.6Ltr). In some places I've seen GM88862624 referred to as the Diff oil, this is basically a 75w-90LS oil, could use something like MOTUL Gear 300LS.

The Transfer box I've seen referenced as using GM 93165383, once again a 75w-90 oil, but without the LS, could use MOTUL Gear 300.

Advise please....


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 5:53 am 
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The Aero has arrived in NZ, but stuck in port.......

Meanwhile been doing some servicing on TX components, new brake pads all round, front discs have been skimmed.

Haldex service, new filter/gasket......ended up buying a litre of GM spec oil 93165387 from local Holden agent NZ$260 (ouch).

Photo of dirt /gum in Haldex unit, obviously needed doing.


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