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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:08 pm 
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I have been a member of a boat owners forum for around 17 years (fourwinnsowners.com). Never any complaints about my many thousands of posts. I have been lauded as one of the most helpful members on the forum.

I am a member of Volvo UK owners forum and the Swedespeed American site for around 3.5 years. No complaints there as well.

Yet, here, it's very different It's like being back at a very formal public school with head boys deciding what and what can't be posted. I really don't understand why my posts are being controlled to such a degree by moderators. Has there been a real problem with spammers/ trolls in the past ?I suspect I won't stay around. Maybe this post will disappear into cyberspace.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:28 pm 
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The first 5 posts for all users require mod approval, this is due to SPAM issues we have had in the past.
The classifieds are also subject to moderator approval, this is due to the inability of some to abide by a simple set of mandatory requirements and rules.

The Workshop also has some mandatory requirements for thread titles. These requirements are highlighted at the top of the Workshop forum in the orange box. Other than that as long as you are posting within the Forum rules (which the majority of forums have) you will find the moderation is not any more (in fact probably less) intrusive than most forums.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:30 pm 
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Yes, there was.

At one point the whole "View New Posts" was spam for penis enlargement / viagra.

It's only the first 5 posts or so until you no longer need to be approved, except for the classifieds, where everyone is moderated.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:40 pm 
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Are you referring to the need to have the first five posts approved? That's a simple device to stop spammers and there's been a couple of times that it's slipped and they appear seemingly within moments.
Other than that it's a pretty handy resource and there are many well informed people who frequent the place. With the work done by the moderators is also profanity free and no trolls. I've perused other car forums prior to joining and not done so because by the third thread it's degenerated into a foul mouthed playground

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:54 pm 
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Unfriendly?
Your posts have been replied to in a helpful and courteous manner, a blanket accusation of being "unfriendly" after only 7 posts seems a little ironic to me!


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:10 pm 
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I think the responses so far show just how polite this site is......................a pity you have not batted yourself in gradually whilst checking out how friendly a site you have joined

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 7:45 am 
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Redsaabs wrote:
I think the responses so far show just how polite this site is.


I agree entirely; my topic title was ill thought out. It's not the members, but the frustration at not understanding why a thread I started remains in "the pit stop"!

Apologies to all I have unintentionally offended.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 7:59 am 
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It's in the pit lane because it doesnt include enough information in the title.


A couple of years ago the Mods decided that there were too many threads asking for help without the required information to answer them (model, year, engine etc) which wasted the time of people who might answer them having to ask for this information.

So they brought in the rules on workshop thread titles and put them in a very obvious yellow box at the top for everyone to ignore. And started the pit lane for all threads which didnt comply to be moved into for the original poster to edit with the correct information.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 9:32 am 
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I think that the impression of unfriendliness comes from the apparent remoteness of the moderation from the members. Those of us who have been here a long time know what’s going on and how things are worked.

New members coming in are almost certainly people with long experience of posting on the internet and, since almost all forums use similar software, they dive straight in. The “rules” don’t get read because “everyone knows how forums work”. I would suggest that the moderation is a bit heavy handed at times. For example, putting a first post from a new member into the Pit Lane without any explanation is just plain rude. To the mods it’s probably “Oh! No. Not another one. :roll: When will they learn?”. But to the new user it’s confusing and may well have driven people away. Surely someone could devise an automatic message to be sent to a member when a post is “pitlaned”? Even the ,term “Pit Lane” is unlikely to mean anything to a new user without an explanation.

The conflict that needs resolving is that much of the board management is done by long term members and using jargon that only has meaning to long term members. It doesn’t work with new members because they don’t know the history. We were promised some change a long time ago. Nothing seems to have happened to resolve the “model, year, etc.” problem.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 11:50 am 
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Grahamhr wrote:
I have been a member of a boat owners forum for around 17 years (fourwinnsowners.com). Never any complaints about my many thousands of posts. I have been lauded as one of the most helpful members on the forum.

I am a member of Volvo UK owners forum and the Swedespeed American site for around 3.5 years. No complaints there as well.

Yet, here, it's very different It's like being back at a very formal public school with head boys deciding what and what can't be posted. I really don't understand why my posts are being controlled to such a degree by moderators. Has there been a real problem with spammers/ trolls in the past ?I suspect I won't stay around. Maybe this post will disappear into cyberspace.
Welcome to Uksaabs! It's a very friendly site with active members and lots of meets and so on. Give it another chance and hopefully that will become clearer. It's always good to have new people here, I hope you stay.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 6:03 pm 
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Grahamhr wrote:
Redsaabs wrote:
I think the responses so far show just how polite this site is.


I agree entirely; my topic title was ill thought out. It's not the members, but the frustration at not understanding why a thread I started remains in "the pit stop"!

Apologies to all I have unintentionally offended.


Having just looked at your thread in the Pit Lane, it is because as has already been mentioned a couple of times in this thread the title is missing mandatory info. In your case the model year.
It is stated as a requirement in the orange box at the top of the workshop thread, as well as here

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=157957

And here.

viewtopic.php?f=54&t=157981

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 6:22 pm 
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"sgould I would suggest that the moderation is a bit heavy handed at times. For example, putting a first post from a new member into the Pit Lane without any explanation is just plain rude. To the mods it’s probably “Oh! No. Not another one. :roll: When will they learn?”. But to the new user it’s confusing and may well have driven people away. Surely someone could devise an automatic message to be sent to a member when a post is “pitlaned”? Even the ,term “Pit Lane” is unlikely to mean anything to a new user without an explanation.

The conflict that needs resolving is that much of the board management is done by long term members and using jargon that only has meaning to long term members. It doesn’t work with new members because they don’t know the history. We were promised some change a long time ago. Nothing seems to have happened to resolve the “model, year, etc.” problem.]

Usually if its a new user as in first time poster, if the info is contained within the thread most of us will edit the thread title to include the info and approve the post. If its not included the post will be moved to the Pit Lane and the requirements will either be edited into the post or posted on the OP's thread.
If the OP has been here a while or has a few posts under their belt its just moved into the Pit Lane, although most will have just missed the requirement there are a few who do all they can to test and push against the requirement to include the mandatory info.

The requirement was introduced at the request of several members, who as has already been stated were getting fed up with having to ask the basics such as model and year etc...

As for the 'promised' changes, it was stated we were looking at trying to find a solution. While nothing seems to have happened, there was plenty of enquiries and attempts to get someone with the knowhow to look at how it could be done with the current software.

Unfortunately it would appear its not an easy change to make and if it can be done its not a 5 minute job. So its a case of finding someone with the knowhow and just as importantly the time to investigate and implement the changes if it can be done.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 6:45 pm 
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I sympathise with the difficulty! :)

One of the things I find annoying - to me - is that some posts are moved just because the title doesn't conform exactly, even though the essential info is in the title. The type of post is one where the query is, say, about 9-5 wheels where the wheels are the same regardless of the year. I've mentioned this sort of thing before and been told that the post was moved because the mod who moved it had no experience of the 9-5. Moving a post for the convenience of a mod, rather than the convenience of the members is not a very satisfactory position. But I suppose that some compromise has to be made.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 7:02 pm 
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Its also about ease of reference for someone browsing looking for a solution to an issue, without having to ask the same question that has been asked a hundred times previously.

If the model & model year along with a brief indicator of the issue is included in the thread title, its easier for someone searching to find the answers they are after.

Its also far better than some of the ambiguous thread titles we used to get.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 5:03 pm 
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Sometimes, if I have time, I'll edit the relevant bits of the post and put it back in. If I have even more time (increasingly unlikely!) I'll drop the poster a pm!


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:48 pm 
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Hello and welcome :D
Take some time to read about. This is a rather friendly and helpful place. Although some of the rules seem very arbitrary, there is method to the madness! It helps keep the place the good environment it is.
Unfortunately we do realise that we can't please all the people all of the time!


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Sometimes, if I have time, I'll edit the relevant bits of the post and put it back in. If I have even more time (increasingly unlikely!) I'll drop the poster a pm!

Ditto..... depends on work and the sproglet as to how much 'leisure time' I get. Its not lot!

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 5:40 am 
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If a thread is moved to the pit lane there is no way to start with what you have written before.ie you have to write the whole thing out again..is there a way of getting back the non con formative post so that it could be copy and pasted and just altered, thus meaning you just have to add or alter a few words.
Also maybe the title bar could be made a little longer so you have the ability to write all the words needed to conform..

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 6:15 am 
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The OP of the pit laned post can edit the title and the post.

Once that's been done a mod will move it back to the workshop.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 7:58 am 
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Mr_Ben wrote:
If a thread is moved to the pit lane there is no way to start with what you have written before.ie you have to write the whole thing out again..is there a way of getting back the non con formative post so that it could be copy and pasted and just altered, thus meaning you just have to add or alter a few words.
Also maybe the title bar could be made a little longer so you have the ability to write all the words needed to conform..


As Dave has pointed out above the OP can edit the original post.

This is stated in the orange box and in Announcements at the top of the Workshop and as a Sticky at the top of the Pit Lane.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 6:34 pm 
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To add to Espin's post above, and further expand on the below,

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Also maybe the title bar could be made a little longer so you have the ability to write all the words needed to conform..


It is more than feasible to provide the necessary info in the topic title, along with an abridged review of the issue at hand. i.e. a recent post from myself..

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It can take some thought on how the best abridged version works best at times, but you just need to then provide as much info as possible in the topic body itself.

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