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PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 6:46 pm 
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Hi all,

Had a search back and there does not appear to be one of these threads.
This is the sort of topic that should be a Sticky really.

So i am in the market for a Double DIN head unit.

I have some Criteria.
Must have analogue volume control. Twiddly knob.
Must be genuine Andriod, not some cracked Chinese thing with no Play store.
Must have GPS, and a really good quality amplifier section.
Must have full hands free.
Apple CarPlay would be nice, but not 100% necassary.
Perhaps the ability to attach a 3rd party remote control stalk to the steering column.

I will be using the "NavMii" software as i get on well with that.

Any thoughts people ?.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:02 pm 
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Hi, I'm looking at the same thing but different specs in 9-3 2010. I want Android auto to use google maps sat nav. It works well in my partners new Suzuki.
With DAB radio.
Looking at the Sony XAV-AX3005DB at the moment, about £300 but another £90 for a connection fitting kit thats still not plug and play as far as I can see...

Can the regular radio aerial lead be used for the DAB radio?


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 9:30 am 
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CrispDust wrote:
Can the regular radio aerial lead be used for the DAB radio?

No, wrong frequency band, you can get a glass mount DAB aerial or fit a different blade on the roof.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 17, 2019 9:24 pm 
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CrispDust wrote:
Can the regular radio aerial lead be used for the DAB radio?


If your car has the telephone aerial fitted (might be a loose aerial connection behind the headunit) then you can use this for the DAB aerial. I've been using it for about a year now, works great. Have a look at my topic here for more info.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 31, 2019 6:59 pm 
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Have the Sony XAV unit and starting to fit it.
Some things straight forward, however:

I have a 2010 Aero Convertible auto. It has the Infotainment Plus system ie the one with built in satnav.
1. The Connects2 fitting kit came with an Amppassthru kit/adapter, which I assume is fitted somewhere near the amp in the boot? I gather this is to reduce the output from the new head unit so that the amp can handle it. But I've read this depends on the amp fitted to the car?
How do I know what sound system I have? Seven speakers? Or less?
There appear to be 3 levels of amp/speaker combo options - 150, 300 and Bose?
I have a silver finned amp on the passenger side of the boot, about 9 inches by 6 inches. I can't read the numbers on it without taking the trim off.

Also I have a small shark fin on the boot lid. Is this the satnav aerial, which corresponding plug behind the dash.
Or is it a GSM phone aerial/cable? If the latter I could use this as the DAB radio aerial rather than having to fit the small supplied stick on the window DAB aerial.
The plug is a female and doesn't seem to be the same FME connector as mentioned by lancer77.
Would appreciate some help as getting quite confused.
The wiring/fitting instructions that came with the Connects2 are simple abysmal/non existent.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 31, 2019 10:13 pm 
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Standard sharkfin is GSM phone aerial only. The GPS aerial was only fitted to cars that came with the factory satnav.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 7:55 am 
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I have the factory fitted satnav. So is it a combined GPS /GSM aerial?


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 8:41 am 
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Yes. There will be two separate aerials in there. There should be two “Fakra” connectors under the boot lid trim. The blue one is for GPS and the purple one is GSM.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 12:36 pm 
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Odd. I only have one cable from the boot mounted shark fin, cable black, connector black exits forwards into the softtop retraction space.
Fitted Sony unit. What looks like a Fakra connection black cable, ends in blue connector fit the Sony radio adaptor supplied by connects2.
The unit works with the DAB radio aerial connectedm, tunes in but no sound from system. The FM radio won't tune, so I assume the Fakra is the GSM wire, not the FM wire?


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 1:02 pm 
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CrispDust wrote:
Odd. I only have one cable from the boot mounted shark fin, cable black, connector black exits forwards into the softtop retraction space.
Fitted Sony unit. What looks like a Fakra connection black cable, ends in blue connector fit the Sony radio adaptor supplied by connects2.
The unit works with the DAB radio aerial connectedm, tunes in but no sound from system. The FM radio won't tune, so I assume the Fakra is the GSM wire, not the FM wire?

The aerial is far too short for FM

An ideal aerial for FM would be a 1/2 wave dipole of about 1.5m length. As a car is made of metal a 1/4 wave stub usually works (about .75m). The aerial you have is optimised for GSM which uses frequencies around 1.0 to 1.5 GHz giving a 1/4 wave stub of around 7.5cm.

wavelength = velocity/frequency

for GSM 300.000.000/1,000,000,000 = 30cm.

The velocity of a radio wave being C (the speed of light).


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 4:34 pm 
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Hi Griffin. Yes I know the dab won't wont work with regular FM aerial and vice versa.
my intention is to uise the GSM aerial as the DAB supply.
The normal FM/AM aerial has a weird female connection I've not seen before - mid size between a regular din and the smaller dab/smb connector.
Haven't been able to identify it yet.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 8:56 pm 
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I got an Aerial adaptor for the 9-5 satnav aerial for a Chrysler the adapter was made by Scosche.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2019 8:56 am 
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Hi sgould, I think that might fit. Here is photo pf said socket on the headunit and plug. Does that look the correct fit for your suggested adapter?


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2019 9:15 am 
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I think that one is more like a VW connector, but I’m not sure. The one I needed was the same as a traditional aerial connector, but smaller in diameter.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2019 6:31 pm 
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I have done all sorts of ICE upgrade stuff to earlier 9-5's. These all worked.

Then, I bought a Dame. And some Pioneer DAB/NAV bits, complete with the "supposed" add on stuff.

I paid a professional person NOT to fit my bits.

Dames are about as hard to upgrade as the 9-3's I do believe....

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2019 7:50 pm 
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I think its CT27AA24 you need for that aerial connector. Its a Chrysler to DIN adapter.

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Available on ebay for about £6.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 11:18 am 
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Thanks, that looks like the one. Its a conects2 part - I emailed them yesterday and they couldn't identify the conector..... :wall:
Ordered a cheapy off amazon. Not sure I wil actualy use the FM as there's dab on the new head unit.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 11:58 am 
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OK, next issue is that the original headunit had a single yellow wire on a brown 16 pin socket. This would seem to be the reverse wire so i asume its what provides the proximity beep for the rear parking sensors?
I wonder what I connect this to?
Or are the beeps provided in the canbus wiring?


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 12:41 pm 
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The yellow wire to the 16 pin connector is the speed sensor. It's used to try and keep your position on the satnav map when the GPS signal fails. or example, when you go into a tunnel. Nothing to do with reverse sensors, etc.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2019 12:51 pm 
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OK, many thanks. I don't need that one then as im using mobile thru Android Auto for satnav.
Nearly there then!
Will post up photos when fitted - after I've reasembled the collapsed central air vent - a Rubiks cube is eaier to solve.


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