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PostPosted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 9:40 am 
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A pillar I think it is, the front one lol, actually being a 4 door it could work for the B pillar?


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 5:11 pm 
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Good news :)


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 5:19 pm 
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Well done, it's always a plus when the advisory's section is clear especially for a 26 year old car.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 7:03 pm 
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Nah, must be another car!! :park: :lol:

Only kidding, great result, I had 2 pages of advisories so reckon must have got your share :lol:


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 7:08 pm 
good result.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 10:24 pm 
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Good news :)



Nice one 8)

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 10:43 pm 
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Great to see another Red 900 flat front back on the road :D

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 10:53 pm 
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Great to see another Red 900 flat front back on the road :D


Red is cool again :wink:

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 7:33 am 
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Redsaabs wrote:
Great to see another Red 900 flat front back on the road :D

:) It was never off the road!

To be honest, I was bracing myself for the worst even though I know the car is generally solid underneath and I wasn't aware of any major problems. At the least I was expecting an advisory list as long as my arm!

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 9:49 am 
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No progress with the inside of the car resembling a paddling pool (a fair puddle in the boot today too!), but some progress with diagnosis.

The rear passenger side door (adjacent to the puddle) is wet *above* the door seal at the bottom. All the other doors are dry. I now know where I need to be looking - will start by removing the trim from the door. I guess I'll also be pulling the trim out of the boot - there's a puddle in the space under the boot floor, and the floor itself is damp.

Despite all this heavy rain, there's no real sign of anything coming in at the front, other than the intermittent coolant leak. It's getting a pretty thorough test this week!

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 7:18 pm 
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Some progress:

Water in the boot is coming in around one of the tail light clusters. I figure that removal, cleaning up, and refitting with plenty of silicone sealant is the solution.

Took the rear passenger side door card off, found it to be damp at the bottom (see attached photo). Took out the moisture barrier and had a poke around - drain holes were clear but there was a big lump of mysterious goop (some kind of factory sealant?) which might have been blocking the rear one. Anyway, I figured out where the water was getting in - a mixture of rust hole and ill-fitting seal on the glass. Seems that the quarterlight has been smashed and replaced at some point (no reg. no. on the glass, fragments of glass inside the car).

Shining a torch up inside the door there was clearly a gaping hole so I've bunged it up with black silicone and await the next heavy rain with anticipation ;)

On the plus side, there doesn't actually seem to be any rainwater ingress at the front of the car - I'd have expected the last couple of days to have shown that up. Thanks for all the suggestions and advice - feels like I'm finally getting somewhere with these problems!


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 9:49 am 
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Now what is the betting there won't be any rain now :)

Glad you're getting there, can be damn frustrating when you think you've fixed it and it doesn't make a blind bit of difference!


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 10:09 am 
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Like this morning - rained in the night, usual puddle despite my efforts!

The lack of moisture barrier probably doesn't help - the drain holes are clear so it seems to be more of a 'water going the wrong way' than 'water not getting out and overflowing' sort of problem.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 29, 2013 8:07 pm 
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Dunno whether putting paper down would hint towards where it's coming in, then again water can run in anywhere, the only way I knew exactly where mine was leaking was sheer chance, knew it was leaking badly (took door seal off) and it was 6am on a Saturday when heavy rain woke me, jumped out of bed realising the car would be flooding by now so threw some clothes on and ran down to the car, yup, was awash, mopping it up with a Jay cloth and tipping it out of the car whilst still raining I noticed it was running in at the hinge section and then on to the inside of the body shell, not that I'm suggesting you should camp out in the thing :)


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 8:50 am 
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Figured out a little bit more - this morning I opened the door and watched water run down the window channel and straight out the drains at the bottom of the door. So I can say with some confidence that it's not a case of the door filling up with water and overflowing.

The door seal itself seems to be wet on the inside (if that makes sense), so I'm starting to wonder if it's just not sealing properly, and allowing water to run in and 'appear' on the floor next to the sill. Camping out in it during a storm seems like a decent idea!

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 6:04 am 
have you had a good look at the seal/channel of rubber which seals the glass? these can be replaced by some trim from woolies. talcum powder sprinkled around the cars doors and windows is a good way to see where the water is coming from.worked a treat on my smart roadster. im fairly sure there should be rubber drain hole grommets in the bottom of the boot floor? are those blocked?


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 8:27 am 
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I thought I'd licked it this weekend - I taped the water barrier back into the door and stuffed some old silicone vaccum hose into the door seals (as advised on 'The Saabsite') on Saturday morning. Not a drop came in on Saturday or Sunday (out and about in some really heavy rain), but this morning I was greeted by the usual puddle of rainwater in the rear footwell :(

The rear passenger door doesn't sit as flush to the body of the car as the others when it's closed, and needs more effort to shut properly (if left to swing shut, it'll latch with a ~1cm gap between the door and body). I've also noticed that the part of the door latch which is attached to the body of the car is shimmed on the passenger side and not on the drivers - this might just be normal? Is there any procedure for adjusting the door closure? I'll have to try and get some photos to show what I mean.

The talcum powder approach sounds worth a try. I think I'll take the door card off (2 minute job and I need to rescue a trim clip anyway) and see if I can watch the water coming in.

Thanks for all the suggestions and advice - I know there's a few I've not tried yet, but I appreciate the wisdom of those who've been here before! I think I've eliminated a lot of possibilities now (windscreen, blocked drains in the doors, etc.).

As for the boot - drain holes are fine, I can see the water coming in around the passenger side light cluster, and running down into the spare wheel well. Not too worried about that - reckon I just need to take the light out and apply plenty of silicone.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 8:32 am 
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On a less frustrating note, I took a friend (who's had a 900 bug since I bought this one) down to Frome on Saturday to pick up this 200k miles, 1991 T16S in an unusual shade of metallic grey. Not had a chance to poke around it much, but seems alright. He was definitely impressed with the way 'EREC' shifted on the way there :)

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 9:24 am 
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Exciting (erm...) door closure photos!


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