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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 11:59 am 
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Location: Cardenden, Fife
Car Model: 9-5 TiD Estate
I bought a 2010 9-5 Estate in July as I was needing a bigger car. 85k miles when I bought it. Since bringing it home I've made a couple of big trips, to Ireland and to NE Scotland, and it's comfy and easy on the diesel. Lots to like!

However, I've already had to replace the coolant valve. I've had to do a home repair on a leaking screenwasher pipe. It's losing a small amount of coolant (thanks to some advice from forum, I've been told it might be a leaking thermostat) and on Friday it conked out on a narrow country road with what is probably a failed fuel pump. Had to get towed to a garage. I'm not out of love with the Saab just yet, but these little things are starting to add up in terms of money and in terms of wondering if I've made a bad choice - or just been unlucky. Having a vehement dislike of Vauxhall cars, I gritted my teeth in buying this Insignia-based Saab. It seems that no matter how much time and trouble you put yourself to in finding a used car - and I took a lot - you basically take your life (or at least your wallet) in your hands. Keeping fingers crossed that this latest cock-up is a) inexpensive to rectify and b) the last one for a long time.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 2:45 pm 
Could be one of threeish things
Dead high pressure pump
leaking injector(s) preventing fuel pressure build - had this
timing jumped


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 3:14 pm 
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The major faults seem to be coming from the GM/Fiat diesel engine. The Saab bits are probably what are making it bearable!

The 9-5 estate of that age is older still than the Insignia, although the extent to which Saabs are the same as Vectras or Cavaliers is highly debatable. Yours is on the extended GM2900 platform (GM2902) but that doesn't make it the same as a MK3 Cavalier! Like any used car, there are issues. Hopefully there won't be many more that crop up!

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 11:16 am 
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Location: Cardenden, Fife
Car Model: 9-5 TiD Estate
Well, the problem was the fuel tank sender had failed. I ran out of fuel with a quarter tank still showing on the needle. Stone me, the replacement part's £270 plus labour! Clearly, this is the sort of thing that rarely happens and could happen to anyone. The fact that it happened to me is something of a headache.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 5:59 pm 
I'm hoping mine has resolved itself after sitting with redex laced diesel in the tank as it had similar issues, full resulted in the needle at 10 o clock - seriously far above the max
However it seems to have solved itself as when i put the key in, the needle is back on full as it should be.
If it plays up again...tank drop time..not looking forward to that possibility


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 10:01 am 
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Sorry to hear that you are not enjoying the Saab as much as you had hoped.

A leaking heater valve, thermostat and washer pipe are hardly major repairs, the car is 8 years old.

Re the fuel sender, I would think that the fault was actually the plastic baffle inside the tank, not actually the sender unit, as the baffle is a common fault were as the sender is VERY rare.
I hope the repairing garage either removed the baffle or replaced it with a non damaged one, otherwise you may be running out of fuel again.
Hopefully as life with the Saab increases in time, so will the enjoyment.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 12:41 pm 
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Thanks for the much-needed sense of perspective, Jamsaab! You're right; it's just that I had a Skoda for 6 years that ran like a dream. When the steering rack failed at 14 years old I decided to buy a smaller car to see me though a couple of years. I owned it for exactly one year and it cost me £700+ in repairs. I jacked it in and bought a 7 year old Saab which has, in the first 3 months, cost me more than £650 - in addition to the peripheral stuff which is bound to happen as and when. Interestingly, the guy who looks after my Saab told me last night that he's worried about the engine vibrating, and that it could be the flywheel (terminal diagnosis) or maybe the engine mounts (fixable, but maybe expensive). I'll be spending some time this weekend hunting through this forum for information on both. He reckons I should punt it pronto if it's a worn flywheel, which would be a heartbreaker as I really like the car a lot. I'm into big, comfy economical estates!! I'll be needing to get this investigated soon, though.

m.d.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 1:42 pm 
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Location: North of Aberdeen
Car Model: 9-5 aero sportwagon
The below post was my experience after my first year of Saab ownership, a further year + on after all the below extra bits and things have settled down a bit - till the xenon levelling started playing up again this week...

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=180790

Since the above post, i did the crank and oil pressure sensors, I've replaced the DIC, a 2nd elec door mirror switch, new front discs/pads and refurb calipers, rear rose bushes, handbrake cable, front subframe bushes.

Good thing I enjoy working on the car and still enjoy driving it!

This then just leaves the power steering cooler as a known potential reliability issue.

Plus point is I've now done 27,000 miles since I purchased it (143k now) and it's never let us down.

I came to my Saab after 9 years of driving new BMW's which were virtually faultless - I got bored of not having a car to play with :lol:


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 9:48 am 
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Car Model: 9-5 TiD Estate
Well, now... "my" mechanic who did the replacement sender said he didn't like the sound of the car, and wanted to get a look at it. He was concerned about either worn engine mounts or a worn DMF causing a vibration. Having checked it, it's bad news. DMF. Now, given that it would be a grand for parts and labour (£392 for kit from Neo Bros + 8-10 hour job) to replace, I decided to go back to the place I bought it from. I bought it with the vibration, even remarked on it when test driving the car, but didn't know enough about the issue to realise that it wasn't normal for a 7 year old diesel engine.

To my surprise, the place I bought it from has agreed to double check it and, if the DMF is the issue, to carry out the work and split the bill with me 50/50. It's still a lot of bread, and takes my spending on repairs to £1150 in three months, but it's better than having to start messing around, rejecting the car, going through the credit card company, etc. I really like the car, and there's not a mark on it - bodywork-wise.

I hope that it won't actually need the DMF and clutch replaced, but my head says it will. I also hope that the garage won't try playing silly beggars about the cost. Anyway, I'll post again after the job's done ... and then wait for the next thing to go wrong! :roll:

m.d.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 4:19 pm 
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I told you and you all said I was talking c££p !

Now look at the poor old OP with all this trouble with his late Saab with a big list of problems

Late Saabs are rubbish they are not like the old ones !

There is a reason the company went bust and it is nothing to do with poor management as the lovers of the company will try to convince you on here
Get a 90s Saab you wont be disappointed


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 5:23 pm 
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Car Model: NG 9-5 Aero TTid 2011
I must have got lucky three times then 2005 1.9tid 135k on the clock with only one problem. a pita wiring issue that took a while to find and fix but that was it in 2 years of ownership.

2010 TTid 60k 2 years of ownership not one issue.
2011 NG 9-5 ttid Aero 64k 20 months of ownership not one issue.

i like Saabs even the GM versions but like every other car maker it could be argued that the older models where built better...............or where they?? i cant generalize on it for sure.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 5:32 pm 
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Bobdavoice wrote:
I must have got lucky three times then 2005 1.9tid 135k on the clock with only one problem. a pita wiring issue that took a while to find and fix but that was it in 2 years of ownership.

2010 TTid 60k 2 years of ownership not one issue.
2011 NG 9-5 ttid Aero 64k 20 months of ownership not one issue.

i like Saabs even the GM versions but like every other car maker it could be argued that the older models where built better...............or where they?? i cant generalize on it for sure.

Bob


Do you want to borrow a code Reader Bob :D :D and can I borrow your map as you wont need it :!:
You will be busy fixing your late Saab :)


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 5:57 pm 
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DEVON DOGG wrote:
Bobdavoice wrote:
I must have got lucky three times then 2005 1.9tid 135k on the clock with only one problem. a pita wiring issue that took a while to find and fix but that was it in 2 years of ownership.

2010 TTid 60k 2 years of ownership not one issue.
2011 NG 9-5 ttid Aero 64k 20 months of ownership not one issue.

i like Saabs even the GM versions but like every other car maker it could be argued that the older models where built better...............or where they?? i cant generalize on it for sure.

Bob


Do you want to borrow a code Reader Bob :D :D and can I borrow your map as you wont need it :!:
You will be busy fixing your late Saab :)

Haha I know where you live......if you have put a hex on my lovely 9-5 Aero i WILL find you.
you have been warned. :twisted:

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2018 12:33 pm 
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Location: Cardenden, Fife
Car Model: 9-5 TiD Estate
Another update. Yes, it's the DMF. Yes, they're going to replace it and the clutch, etc. Yes, it's going to cost a shade over a grand. Yes, it'll take about a week to get done. Yes, I'm sick. However, the seller is going to pay half. Not every day you get told you have to pay 500 notes and that's the good news! The biggest downside is that I've been given a 15 year old Megane to drive in the meantime which is an absolute heap. :D

The funny thing is that I like old Saabs for the same reason I like old Volvos - cos they're built to last. I drove a 3 litre 960 for four years, and nothing would give me greater pleasure than getting a 3 litre 9000 with leather everything, but what keeps me from getting one is that I know how thirsty they are. Ironic that I went for a more modern diesel on the basis of fuel economy which then costs me £1200 for repairs. You can buy a lot of petrol for £1200.

Still, I'm assured that with the new clutch and DMF it'll drive better, be more powerful, less rattly, all that. Fingers crossed!

m.d.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 11:04 am 
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Car Model: Saab 9-3 Aero
Interesting reading. I personally think buying a car with 80-100k I would expect some big things to have been done.
I took a punt on a 2003 9-3 aero a year ago paid £500. The engine light was on and I suspected it was SAI pump which it was. Guy made up some BS about it being a sensor in exhaust but I suspect he had been told to get rid of the car the way he was acting. Car had some good history and could see some big jobs had been done around 100k mark, car was on 121k.
Anyway I took it straight to get MOT done, it passed which I was amazed.
Fast forward 1 year I have put on 25k miles on the girl. Had 2 oil services. Thermostat done, wheel bearing done, down pipe of exhaust, tyres and brakes. For the mileage I have put on it and some of those miles have been quite hard, I’m happy with my Saab, it’s very comfortable mpg around 38-45 when driven sensibly. In the heavy snow last year i had no problems powering up the slip road to the M3.

PS I would never get a diesel. I do high mileage but everyone I know who has had diesels has at least 1 ££££ bill.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 6:04 pm 
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Aiminghigh123 wrote:
PS I would never get a diesel. I do high mileage but everyone I know who has had diesels has at least 1 ££££ bill.


I think that's the main reason for the OP's issues. Modern diesels regularly present huge bills. This just reads like common stuff on the Fiat 1.9JTD, which is what this engine is even if the badge says Saab TiD.

I had 2 Fiat's with the 1.9JTD. The first had never ending EGR issues that ended up with a £350 job to replace it. The second needed DPF work for £1k+ and I sold it needing a DMF.

After that one I vowed never to buy a diesel again.

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