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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 4:06 pm 
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Bit of an intro and a start of what will hopefully be a journey from automotive numpty to mechanical God!! :)

Anyway, my Passat estate TDi was at the point where it was going to be a total money pit for all the wrong reasons so in a bid to make a quick change before any more bills came my way, I bagged a pretty nice '57 Vector TiD automatic. I owned a Volvo S60 D5 previous to the VW and that was an amazingly good car, but I couldn't find one for the right money so having always liked SAABs since my Dad's late-90s 9000 turbo, it seems a nice 'alternative' option. My mates all did the "can you still get parts for it?" spiel but that wasn't an issue; a full SAAB service history, recent cambelt and water pump change, and only 83K on the clock seemed good for what ended up as a £1500 purchase. Cream leather, an unmarked interior and four good tyres sealed the deal.

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Love the simple cockpit and seats - very much like my old S60 - and there's loads of room in the back for the kids. Driving position is good and as my first automatic, I'm converted. For commuting down the M1 to Milton Keynes it's nice to have not need to really do anything when the traffic jams kick in.

Things I don't like/need to change:

Cup holder in the dash was snapped when I bought it
Electric mirrors don't work - might be a fuse, might not.
There's an annoying ding down to the metal on the rear pillar that stands out like a sore thumb
Alloys are a bit boring and have kerb damage
Ride quality is sublime but it's a bit 'waft', which is nice sometimes but not when you want to throw it around
Engine management light is on permanently - drives fine but it needs investigating
Brakes feel a bit underpowered
No rear spoiler - it needs one!
Centre caps are in horrible condition
Wobbly indicator stalk - soooo annoying!

All minor things in reality although in an ideal world, getting a new car should be about getting in, driving off and not having any worries. Bit fir the money, I suppose I have to accept some minor issues that (hopefully) won't cost an arm and a leg.

But I like the car, it has a bit of character about it and it's comfy as anything.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 11:41 am 
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So first thing’s first, to appease my inner chav (or Dadchav as I’ve christened myself) I have to deal with aesthetics of the car.

Silver is never my preferred choice of car colour but more importantly, the wheels need sorting. The centre caps were hideously dirty when I bought it and although I later found out there’s a simple trick with something like white spirit to bring them back to new, I decided to get some new Fleabay specials in a carbon-effect look. It’s pocket money fix and they look fresh at least.

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I’m not offended by the stock 7-spoke twin alloys but they’re kerbed and have some chunks taken out and some weird bubbling of the paint. On the older pre-2005 cars, 17” wheels seemed to look great and fill the arches but on the facelift ‘dame edna’ version these look a little lost. On my car I don’t think it helps it’s silver wheels on a silver car, plus they’re not sporty enough for my liking (I prefer a less cluttered design). Getting them refurbished professionally seems an unnecessary cost at this point, which means a new set of wheels is required.

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I love the Hirsch 18”s but due to them being rare and expensive I looked at other options, namely the Fox MS006, which are similar(ish) in design. I actually won some 18” Aero wheels on Fleabay but the seller ended up cancelling the purchase so it was back to searching for new alloys and aside from being tempted by a set of Vectra GSI alloys, I was a bit stumped on what direction to take.

Knowing that my creative side always goes into overdrive in times of uncertainty, I decided to bid (and subsequently win) some battered but useable 17” double Evo wheels. I love this design; simple, sporty and unfussy. They were £60 from a breakers yard with some serious kerb damage and more stick-on weights than is feasibly necessary.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 9:38 pm 
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So I dug out the sander and went to work. I bought some Isopon filler from Halfords (£8) and after looking at numerous online tutorials, went to work filling and building up damaged areas on all four wheels. Hard within minutes, I managed to get all four wheels sanded in an afternoon so they ended up looking like this:

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I then used Halford Etch Primer (£10), which goes on very, very well and even a numpty like me can get full coverage that looks great. I'm hoping that being an etch primer it'll be tough to make sure the top coat adheres correctly:

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And then came top coat. I chose Anthracite but opted for Halfords' bog-standard Wheel & Wheel Trim Paint. It's £7 a can (one can for each wheel I reckon) and surprisingly, it's about bang-on for colour and goes on nicely. Spraying it in the garden with a breeze was a bit risk - flying debris an all that - but I think it's ended up pretty good.

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Just going back a bit, when I was prepping the wheels tons of crud came off with soapy water from the inside but there were loads of stick-on weights that once removed, left lots of this sticky residue that I ended up getting off with a drill and wire brush attachment. This also allowed me to clean off some serious flaky paint but I went a bit overboard on a couple of areas, creating a few deep scuffs. Still, it's not really going to be visible but I'll have to see if I can live with it over time. Another thing to pint out is no matter how well your sanding feels, it's hard to spot minor imperfections on a surface that a mix of bare metal and sanded base coat... only when the darker, smoother top coat was applied did I notice a few little dinks that I'd not filled. Again, I'll see if I can live with this... a winter of commuting will be a good test to see if these are the only marks ramming come next spring!

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Anyway, the wheels are taking shape nicely and for under £100 with a good bit of learning done, I'll be happy once I get some rubber on them. But a few more jobs to do in the interim and cover shortly...

NB: this is the stuff I used, just in case anyone is looking for it.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 9:55 pm 
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When I bought the car the brakes looked goosed - the front was a bit rough but the tears were rusty and pitted. Within a month there was a horrid grinding sound so The seller got the front sorted due to the inner pads being worn right down. I got new pads and discs fitted and lthough it felt okay for a while, a big wobble under braking started. A track and balance didn't sort it so I took it to a local garage and they found that the locating bolt on the drivers front disk was sheared off. This must have happened when the new disk were fitted - glad I caught it in time.

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Anyway, with that sorted the braking felt marginally better (I still need to re-check if the tracking is sorted) but an annoying clunk clunk from the front when going over potholes pointed to what I thought was bad sub frame bushes. Read a lot about how bushes can really affect the feel if the car so I dropped it into Ashby Garage, a lovely little Saab specialist near rugby. A full service, new anti-roll bar bushes, a new handbrake spring and new fuel filter later (the old one was leaking badly) and the car felt a whole lot better. Tight in corners, no more crashy noises and now actually getting decent mpg, I was happy that I'd caught issues quickly. All that came to £350, which didn't seem too bad compared to fixed I've had on previous cars for much less.

The braking still has a wobble but nowhere near as bad. The garage suspect the rear disks are at fault - that pitted surface is still there some 8,000 miles after getting the car so I'm going to try and change the rear discs and pads myself to save a bit if cash and add something new to my repertoire. It'll also help me get a feel for when I need to paint the calipers and maybe prep me for when I fancy fitting some lower suspension.

Cosmetically the care is in good shape. There's an annoying scrape on the body I'll tackle later but for now I need to deal with sanding, filling and spraying the scuffs on the rear bumper (loading scuffs I suspect). I also noticed all the door handles seem to have a line of missing silver close to where the handle sit into the door panel. This isn't flaking paint - the lacquer is still there - so I'm guessing it's either bad workmanship at the factory or something a bit weirder. Whatever it is, I need to work out how to remove the handles to spray them... I actually enjoying this spraying malarkey :)

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I'll do these on the weekend, or at least try to work out how to remove them without causing damage and/or putting my car out of action..


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:23 am 
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Great, I'm going to be keeping an eye on this thread - interesting to see another dirty diesel 9-5 having a bit of TLC. With just 83k on the clock it's just a baby!

I am assuming that your DPF and swirl flaps haven't had any attention - perhaps being such a low mileage car it hasn't warranted it. I will be interested to see whether these pop their ugly heads up at any time. Might be worth popping the plastic engine cover off to see if the swirl flap connecting rod is still attached and doing what it should.

So yours is a 57 plate - I'm wondering if it's a 2008 car or not. Reason I ask is that they brought out "snow silver" (colour code 309 IIRC) in 2008. Mine was just late enough to become snow silver, whereas the earlier ones are just "silver" (colour code 268). I think the snow silver looks a tad more special but then panels in the correct colour are harder to acquire.

You might want to consider an Aero 308mm/300mm brake upgrade - I found the standard diesel brakes to be underpowered, especially when three or four-up. Especially worth if it's time for a brake replacement anyway.

FYI, I break 9-5 Aeros for a bit of pocket money, and am just up the road in Hinckley, so please give me a shout if you ever need any second hand bits.

Keep up the good work, and more importantly, keep the updates coming!


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 9:39 am 
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Great, I'm going to be keeping an eye on this thread - interesting to see another dirty diesel 9-5 having a bit of TLC. With just 83k on the clock it's just a baby!....


Ha ha - it's got a few more miles on since I bought it in June (I do Rugby to MK every day) but it's munching up the miles nicely. First car I've had for what seems like ages that I feel I have a duty to spruce up, I think it's that thing of preserving something that's no longer made :)

Your thread is one that I've read with great interest because you've done a lot to yours, so it's given me a bit of confidence that anything wrong with it can be sorted by DIY bodges or finding a reliable garage. And cheers for the heads up on spares - hopefully only giving you a shout for parts to improve it, and not to fix it :)

Swirl flaps were mentioned in the recent trip to the garage. That's gonna happen later this month. I have no idea about what they are, what they do or what they look like, but the number of threads online about them points to them being pretty important.

It's a November 2007 car, something like car number 200 it says on the door sticker... makes it feel exclusive :D . I checked the colour code (268) because I need to order spray for covering up marks on the door handles and for prepping a rear spoiler when I manage to find one I like.

Agreed on the brakes. I mainly travel alone but even with just me in the car it feels nowhere near as keen as my previous Passat. I had the S60 R brakes on my Volvo and those were huge and stopped on a sixpence, so a brake kit is definitely on the radar. I'll tap you up for info on that :)


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 11:44 am 
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Agreed on the brakes. I mainly travel alone but even with just me in the car it feels nowhere near as keen as my previous Passat. I had the S60 R brakes on my Volvo and those were huge and stopped on a sixpence, so a brake kit is definitely on the radar. I'll tap you up for info on that :)

Interesting to hear your views on the brakes. Mine still retains it standard setup, although I have replaced the front discs and all pads earlier this year. I tow a caravan with mine, and have never felt that it is under braked, even when towing.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 11:58 am 
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Interesting to hear your views on the brakes. Mine still retains it standard setup, although I have replaced the front discs and all pads earlier this year. I tow a caravan with mine, and have never felt that it is under braked, even when towing.


I think the pitted rear discs probably have something to do with it, I've never felt that I'm getting anywhere near what the factory spec stopping power should be so I'll cross that off the list with a replacement and see if it improves.

Here's what they look like:

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This is the LHR disc, the RHR has that same rustiness but more down the centre of the disc. I had them inspected when the seller changed the fronts and he assured me that they're working. Several thousand miles on and they've not cleared says he was telling porkies...


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:51 pm 
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Wheel finishing continues but in the interim, I've got a bit of unsightly trim to sort out on the driver's wing mirror.

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I thought it was a type of moss but it's hard and crusty and with it being difficult to get my hands into, it may be better to remove the mirror anyway, clean it up and possibly spray the black plastic that's gone a rubbish shade of grey. The rubber and plastic trims all over the car look a bit perished so I might need to do a full replace unless there's a simple trick to revitalise them. I'm hoping this helpful thread will put me in good stead :)

You can also see where the window trim meets the paint work it's a different colour, almost a tea colour staining the silver. Gonna try to see if this comes off with some elbow grease (it's elsewhere on the crawler plastic trim meets painted metal) - maybe there's a remedy on this site that can help?...

I've also been thinking about other aesthetic changes I can make to the barge, one being a rear boot spoiler:

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I'm assuming the one on the left is the standard for the 'dame edna' generation, whereas the other (is it called a bridge?) is from the earlier generation? I don't know where to start with finding one from a breakers yard although there're a few knocking around on ebay. This is actually one mod that I'm confident I can do without any hassles and I'm sure it'll transform the look of the car. Plus, it'll give me an opportunity to do some more sanding and spraying practise.

The other mod I want to do is put a front chin spoiler on it. I've heard hat a Leon Cupra R splitter could work (albeit with a few nuts and bolts holding it on) but I'm not so sure, as I used own one and the shape of the front lip was, if I remember rightly, a lot squarer. I suppose getting one and measuring up could be the option - I can always sell it if there's no fit. I also saw a 9-5 with a 9-3 Turbo X front lip spoiler attached but can't believe I never bookmarked the image for reference. My generation of 9-5 is definitely a poorer front end design than the earlier models, especially the Aero, which were much lower and sportier at the front.

Anyway, I could always do this and get busy with fibreglass to merge a 9-5 top half with what I assume is a Turbo X 9-3 bottom!!!! This is a sexy car, especially with the Dark Twin wheels.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 6:30 pm 
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A great thread to read, keep the updates coming.

I think you are right with the rear brakes, although they don't add too much to the overall stopping power, they will have a negative impact if they aren't working 100%. Mine had pretty much the same issue and I changed the rear discs and pads, this helped the stopping feel.
Mines a 57 plate as well, just turned over 100K on Saturday.
Fingers crossed the dreaded swirl flap issue hasn't arisen on this version of the 1.9tid, whereas I've had a bad experience with this engine in a 9-3 and a hideous experience with it in a 2008 Alfa 159. Having said that, the 2007 Alfa 159 and the 2007 Alfa GT with the same engine were superb.
My swirl flap "bar" has remained fully attached throughout the 33K I've driven this car. I've had to clean the EGR and throttle body as part of an annual health check, this makes a difference to the pick up and pull of the engine.

Great job on the wheel refurb, look forward to seeing them on the car. I've just fitted a set I had off James, silver alloys on a blue car look good to me.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:33 am 
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The other mod I want to do is put a front chin spoiler on it. I've heard hat a Leon Cupra R splitter could work (albeit with a few nuts and bolts holding it on) but I'm not so sure, as I used own one and the shape of the front lip was, if I remember rightly, a lot squarer. I suppose getting one and measuring up could be the option - I can always sell it if there's no fit. I also saw a 9-5 with a 9-3 Turbo X front lip spoiler attached but can't believe I never bookmarked the image for reference. My generation of 9-5 is definitely a poorer front end design than the earlier models, especially the Aero, which were much lower and sportier at the front.

There is a thread http://www.uksaabs.co.uk/UKS/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=163964 on the 9-3 Turbo X chin spoiler on the 9-5. I'm tempted, but it's not at the top of the spending list!

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:48 am 
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The poor braking could be down to the sliders in the callipers when the brakes were changed on the front, the totally worn down inner pad is an indication that something wasn't 100% with the calliper before the disc/pad replacement. When this happened on my 9-3 I removed the sliders and cleaned them with fine wet/dry and lubed them with fresh silicone grease (don't use copper slip as it drys and goes sticky) and the brakes felt much better. You probably need to do this all round.

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There is a thread http://www.uksaabs.co.uk/UKS/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=163964 on the 9-3 Turbo X chin spoiler on the 9-5. I'm tempted, but it's not at the top of the spending list!


Hmmm, it definitely looks awesome on that red 9-5 in the thread. But £130ish is a bit more than I wanted to spend, although I'm sure that's actually a good price considering how few there seem to be available. If only I could find a Turbo X at a breakers yard...

I saw something about a BMW 5-series E60 front splitter being an alternative fix. It's a flat, DTM-style one that was on eBay that would just bolt into the underside of the splitter. But it's not nearly as nice as the Turbo X one.


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So where are we today....

A load of tools, a heavy duty jack and axle stands, plus a load of consumables ordered alongside some rear pads and discs which I intended to change this weekend...

However, I managed to stupidly hit some road furniture yesterday on the way home from work (one of those islands with a bollard on it) and badly dented my from right alloy and burst both alloys on the driver's side. A long wait for the AA meant I didn't get home until 9pm so this morning was spent frantically priming, spraying and lacquering all my alloys so I can take them to the tyre shop tomorrow and get some new rubber put on.

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And this is the current state of my back garden
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I've managed to get two wheels lacquered and as close to finished as possible - I'll take these down first thing and get new tyres put on them. Then it's a case of putting the front left wheel on the rear right, fitting the two new alloys on the front, taking the car to the tyre shop so they can transfer the remaining old tyres onto the new allows... confusing! You should have heard me trying to explain that to the guy at the tyre place over the phone :)

So I doubt I'll get the brakes done, unless things go utterly smoothly. I've got one alloy to finish so hopefully that'll be done today.

I also need to see if I've done anything to the suspension when I hit the kerb... fingers crossed the tyre an wheel took the force. But I might take it into the Saab garage next week for a checkup anyway, just to be sure.

EDIT: Another DIY mod that I'm thinking about is changing the colour of the steering wheel controls surround - not feeling the silver, looks a bit tacky, but someone on FB advised using a vinyl wrap (maybe not the carbon-look he's gone for but similar) and he said it was dead easy to do.

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This is the state of the rear brakes - definitely a replacement bobbie required. Didn't have time to do it today what with having to get new tyres put on my other alloys and the battery taking an age to charge back up.

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And this is the state of the front alloy that took the brunt of the impact - think that one is gonna be relegated top the
scrap yard. With all the inside corrosion I think these might have been a step too far for me to refurbish so I'll probably just flog/give away the remaining three wheels.

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But here she is looking a tad bit better with new rubber and alloys fitted:

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Just a bit gutted the garage couldn't do the tracking fox today (they shut at 3pm) so I won't be venturing out in her until next week once the steering wheel actually points the way the car is going!!


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Yup, I think that wheel is a gonna.
Looking good in the new set, dark wheels set the silver off well.

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Looking at the state of the wheel are your suspension components ok? I had a similar incident in my Vauxhall Viva (old one!) and significantly bent the subframe, top and bottom arms and the chassis rail. There may be a little bit of difference in quality of engineering between the two cars though, I admit.

Also following, as a fellow DE TiD auto owner. I got an EML not long after buying, at around 90k miles. In the end a new inlet kit with flaps and actuator, turbo rebuild and EGR delete and remap by Teapot solved it. The car's been running much smoother since, with much better economy.

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Looking at the state of the wheel are your suspension components ok?


It feels okay, although the tracking guys said it still wasn't perfect. But it runs straight and true. I think a trip to the Saab garage is in order, if only to get a once-over

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...Also following, as a fellow DE TiD auto owner. I got an EML not long after buying, at around 90k miles. In the end a new inlet kit with flaps and actuator, turbo rebuild and EGR delete and remap by Teapot solved it. The car's been running much smoother since, with much better economy.


What did you pay for that? The swirl flap (actuator) deffo needs attention - that was flagged up at the service - but I'm dreading the bill. But i suppose if it brings long lasting reliability it's worth it. MPG on mine is probably 43mpg on a standard rush hour run down the M1 to Milton Keynes. MK is poo though, any gains on the motorways are lost on the many, many roundabouts :)


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Met up with James Vey today to pick up a replacement cup holder he'd broken from the Aero Estate he picked up. Great guy and not only showed me how to fit said cup holder - praise the Lord, I now have a cup holder!! - but he also gave me a few tips on working on the car for the future.

He'd also remembered I'd mentioned about a wobbly indicator stalk so we took mine out but found his from a breaker was also wobbly. I've read a fair bit about hacks and bodges to fix this issue; I thought it was a worn stalk unit but in fact, the unit is tight and correct; the locking clips that hold the stalk in the carrier around the steering wheel, these just don't hold it in a straight position within the frame so there's forward/backward movement which makes the stalk move around.

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You can see the difference between the two pics - there's loads of movement

I thought I'd solved the problem with two pieces of 3mm plastic glued in a specific position - the two strips were too far along the edge of the unit to have any effect (first pic) so I ended up cutting them down and gluing them in to a central position:
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It now means the unit is pressed up against the clips and the steering column so it's tight. However, the stalk isn't wobbly anymore but now the auto-off when you turn and straighten the steering wheel, doesn't engage and turn off the indicator.

It's hard to explain but there's about 7/8mm of movement when the stalk is in place and it needs to be pushed against the steering column by modifying the plastic spring clips. There's a rocker switch on the stalk unit where some ridges on the steering column active it to disengage the indicator.

This isn't going to be an easy fix so I'll try to create a few detailed pics to help anyone who's suffering the same.

In other news, I was supposed to be heading to the peak district tomorrow but a late night puncture has put paid to this plan. Seriously, karma is out to get me I think.... the tyres are only a week old! Thankfully its in centre tread so will repair.


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Was the wobble on the indicator stalk really noticeable? I've had five 9-5s and I can't say I've noticed this as an issue. Either mine have been ok, or I'm used to a slack stalk.....

You really aren't having any luck with those wheels and tyres are you?! Hope it changes soon.

Seems you've go the Saab bug well and truly, you will be looking for the next bits to tweak and fix constantly....

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