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 Post subject: Hybrid TD04's
PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2017 10:57 pm 
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Sorry if this has been covered a thousand times before but I think I'm coming at this from a different angle.

I'm just exploring the possibilities of TD04 upgrades to the later 9-5 Aero.

I need to get a new hot-side as I believe that my actuator is sticking when hot.

So, this opens up a seemingly massive world of possibilities which I would appreciate comment on.

Does putting a 6 or 7cm housing on affect significantly the low torque? Given that the 9000 Aero units are hard to come by where would folks suggest that I get a GOOD unit from (not a cheap Chinese knock-off).

Would it then be easy enough to get the cold-side parts at a future date to create an 18 or 19t with 6 or 7 cm exhaust housing? (I'm thinking that only an 18t would be necessary once I get forged internals as I would still be on an auto box so probably looking to get to 350bhp max)

Do these need 'expert' assembly or would a decent saab indy be able to rebuild all this?

Also, am I looking for straight or angled housing? I've looked on ebay and also Kinugawa's site and am a little confused by all the options! Is the following link suitable?

http://shopping.kinugawaturbo.com/kinug ... 5t6cm.aspx

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 Post subject: Re: Hybrid TD04's
PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2017 6:26 am 
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Try calling CR turbos , they would be able to answer all you questions and possibly give you a price for the work
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 Post subject: Re: Hybrid TD04's
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Try calling CR turbos , they would be able to answer all you questions and possibly give you a price for the work
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CR turbos no longer exist now as Universal turbos have taken them over :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: Hybrid TD04's
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Does anybody have any 1st hand experience of putting a 6cm housing on a TD04 15t 9-5 Aero?

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 Post subject: Re: Hybrid TD04's
PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 1:16 pm 
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Not on a 15t, but I have the #6 exhaust housing on my 18t. It moved the boost threshold up by a couple of hundred RPM I'd say. I wouldn't say you can really notice any difference in day to day driving. I think the only time I really notice it, is if I've had to slow down to 50mph on the motorway and then try to speed up again while in 5th. The 15t#5 is still happy to boost up there, where's you have to wait a little for the 18t#6. Not really an issue, as you should be dropping into 4th to do it anyway.

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 Post subject: Re: Hybrid TD04's
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ok cheers

I like the idea that it should be evacuating the hot air quicker though.

Did you do the 18t and #6 at the same time? I.e. If I did a #6 on a 15t the boost may come in sooner?

I'm looking to do the #6 as an interim to confirm that my current w/g is shot before deciding if I go the whole hog and do forged internals and an 18t with injectors and B12 kit.

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 Post subject: Re: Hybrid TD04's
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I've got an 18T on a #6 on a 2.3 (1997 9k) and I can't really notice any difference in spool time to the 15T but there is noticeably more power. I bought a billet 18T wheel from J.A.W warehouse on ebay and had it all assembled/balanced at AirBearings in Devon. It was £100 for assembly and balancing which I thought was well worth the money - mines been on since early 2014 with no issues.
I wouldn't have thought you would have any issues with a chinese #6 hotside as it's only really a casting, provided the clearance on the wastegate pin was good and didn't bind when hot.
If you go 18T you only need the compressor housing machining whereas 19T requires the backplate machining as well.


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 Post subject: Re: Hybrid TD04's
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Nelliem wrote:
I've got an 18T on a #6 on a 2.3 (1997 9k) and I can't really notice any difference in spool time to the 15T but there is noticeably more power. I bought a billet 18T wheel from J.A.W warehouse on ebay and had it all assembled/balanced at AirBearings in Devon. It was £100 for assembly and balancing which I thought was well worth the money - mines been on since early 2014 with no issues.
I wouldn't have thought you would have any issues with a chinese #6 hotside as it's only really a casting, provided the clearance on the wastegate pin was good and didn't bind when hot.
If you go 18T you only need the compressor housing machining whereas 19T requires the backplate machining as well.


Cheers! Useful info ;-)

Karl had a cheap 19t on the shelf which the wastegate was shot in a really bad way so am keen to avoid! My stock oem 15t seems to be sticking when hot so keen not to get that again!

So, if I got a shot complete 15t I could get the 18T wheel and then look to find somewhere to machine the compressor (cold side?) housing and balance and assemble?

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 Post subject: Re: Hybrid TD04's
PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 3:43 pm 
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Correct - that's essentially what I did except that I managed to buy a ready machined compressor housing. Hugh at Airbearings comes very highly recommended although I'm not sure he can do the machining work. I was impressed with the parts and service from J.A.W also.
Are you sure it's not the actuator on yours that is sticking? Never heard of a std TD04 sticking - only chinese ones.


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 Post subject: Re: Hybrid TD04's
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eucalyptus9000 wrote:
Nelliem wrote:
I've got an 18T on a #6 on a 2.3 (1997 9k) and I can't really notice any difference in spool time to the 15T but there is noticeably more power. I bought a billet 18T wheel from J.A.W warehouse on ebay and had it all assembled/balanced at AirBearings in Devon. It was £100 for assembly and balancing which I thought was well worth the money - mines been on since early 2014 with no issues.
I wouldn't have thought you would have any issues with a chinese #6 hotside as it's only really a casting, provided the clearance on the wastegate pin was good and didn't bind when hot.
If you go 18T you only need the compressor housing machining whereas 19T requires the backplate machining as well.


Cheers! Useful info ;-)

Karl had a cheap 19t on the shelf which the wastegate was shot in a really bad way so am keen to avoid! My stock oem 15t seems to be sticking when hot so keen not to get that again!

So, if I got a shot complete 15t I could get the 18T wheel and then look to find somewhere to machine the compressor (cold side?) housing and balance and assemble?


Have you popped the wastegate arm off the flapper and checked whether you're getting a nice free 90 degree movement on the flapper (to verify whether it's the flapper or the actuator that's causing your problems)?

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 Post subject: Re: Hybrid TD04's
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It did it with the old stock actuator and still does it with the new forge unit.

Everything feels ok when cold, its only when it gets warm that we get issues.

Well, if I get a new #6 housing first and try that before committing then we'll know :-)

Thinking about the Kinugawa unit but trying to find a UK supplier:

http://shopping.kinugawaturbo.com/kinug ... 5t6cm.aspx

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 Post subject: Re: Hybrid TD04's
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Correct - that's essentially what I did except that I managed to buy a ready machined compressor housing. Hugh at Airbearings comes very highly recommended although I'm not sure he can do the machining work. I was impressed with the parts and service from J.A.W also.
Are you sure it's not the actuator on yours that is sticking? Never heard of a std TD04 sticking - only chinese ones.


Karl has seen a few of these happening and it seems only to be St3 and over and DE units.

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 Post subject: Re: Hybrid TD04's
PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 11:27 am 
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eucalyptus9000 wrote:
Nelliem wrote:
Correct - that's essentially what I did except that I managed to buy a ready machined compressor housing. Hugh at Airbearings comes very highly recommended although I'm not sure he can do the machining work. I was impressed with the parts and service from J.A.W also.
Are you sure it's not the actuator on yours that is sticking? Never heard of a std TD04 sticking - only chinese ones.


Karl has seen a few of these happening and it seems only to be St3 and over and DE units.


Maybe it's confined to the #5 later housings, I've only had experience with the 9k ones.


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 Post subject: Re: Hybrid TD04's
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Are we talking actuator sticking, or wastegate flapper? The former wouldn't warrant a whole change of turbine housing unless you were going to do it anyway.

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Wastegate flapper
Its not the actuator (unless I'm unlucky!) as the original did it too before fitting the Forge unit.

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 Post subject: Re: Hybrid TD04's
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I had this problem after having my turbo rebuilt/modified. Clearance was so tight that the wastegate pins/shaft just seized up solid when up to temperature. Solved by sending the turbo back. Not sure exactly how it was sorted, but didn't require a new housing or anything. I presume they just opened up the hole a little and/or made sure the shaft wasn't bent.

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 Post subject: Re: Hybrid TD04's
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Interesting! That would be ok if I was spanner handy and could do without it for a bit but its going to be just as easy to get the new 6cm housing and then swap over. Karl is going to have my old one for research purposes.

The Kinugawa ebay store have answered my request and now list their 6cm housing for £135 inc postage. (probably find there are import taxed or something though!!)

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 Post subject: Re: Hybrid TD04's
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(how easy is it for a mechanical idiot to change the hot-side housing on a driveway with a bundle of spanners?)

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You need to remove the full turbo easy to do but a little time consuming, i would not not touch the china stuff TBH, ask me how i know...........


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 Post subject: Re: Hybrid TD04's
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Kinuwaga seem to have a good rep. The non-brand ones I can understand - I've seen one of the 19t's wastegate in poor shape.

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