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PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:09 pm 
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Hello everyone. I now have some free time to start modding my car, I purchased it with some cool/fast bits already on like:

  • Noobtune stage 3 tune ~270bhp
  • K&N air filter
  • 3' stainless steel exhaust with high flow CAT
  • Koni adjustable suspension and lowering springs
  • Sway bar
  • Viggen rotors and pagid brakes

I am wanting to know if anyone else can suggest some other mods that will boost power or just improve on an existing mechanism, i am thinking of the following but have very little mechanical know how:

  • Short shift kit
  • Front mount intercooler
  • Engine start up with switches (No key)
  • Under bonnet strut brace

Any advice or help would be greatly appreciated.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:19 am 
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I don't think an FMIC will make much difference at 270hp. A bigger one would be easier to fit. But you may also need other hardware,

If you have a manual gearbox, starting without using the key will be a problem as the car locks with reverse gear engaged.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:55 am 
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sgould wrote:
I don't think an FMIC will make much difference at 270hp. A bigger one would be easier to fit. But you may also need other hardware,

If you have a manual gearbox, starting without using the key will be a problem as the car locks with reverse gear engaged.


I thought a front mount intercooler will allow me to run slightly higher boost since temps are no longer the primary concern.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 6:16 pm 
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Its front mounted as std. Some had twin pass, but yours should be single pass. Its probably a good move to ditch the std item at high boost as they are now old and the plastic ends can leak and the alloy fins are crumbling off most. Fit the biggest you can if you are replacing it.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:11 pm 
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Best (but most expensive) option is a Do88/Abbott Racing intercooler which will be designed as a drop-in replacement for the OEM one.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:07 pm 
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At stage 3 the next best mod has to be a LSD


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:56 pm 
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keeny wrote:
At stage 3 the next best mod has to be Stage 5


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:10 am 
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filathome wrote:
keeny wrote:
At stage 3 the next best mod has to be Stage 5


Corrected.



Current turbo will be maxed out by now, I’d say Gt17 on an SE but unsure as the 9-3 isn’t my specialty, 19t plus t5 cams set of wossies should be fun, b205 will need wossisfor this upgrade, or fit a 15t which is way better than a Gt17.

STAGE 5 set up on my old 9-5 made 323.6bhp b204-t7

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 6:56 pm 
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You could also consider the 2.3 conversion.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 7:30 pm 
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sgould wrote:
I don't think an FMIC will make much difference at 270hp. A bigger one would be easier to fit. But you may also need other hardware,

If you have a manual gearbox, starting without using the key will be a problem as the car locks with reverse gear engaged.


It doesn't make a huge difference but the do88 FMIC did make a noticeable difference at stage 3. On an averagely warm day I noticed the ECU would start to hold back after 4 or 5 consecutive blasts. Presumably because it flowed better but it did also "feel" like it had a bit more grunt.
The extra 40NM of torque from the stage 3+ map that the upgraded FMIC allowed, however made a very noticeable difference.

Stage 5 sounds like a much more sensible option though :)


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 8:02 pm 
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filathome wrote:
keeny wrote:
At stage 3 the next best mod has to be Stage 5


Corrected.

stage 5 without an LSD will we a waist of time :corn:


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 10:11 pm 
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rallyv4 wrote:
Its front mounted as std. Some had twin pass, but yours should be single pass. Its probably a good move to ditch the std item at high boost as they are now old and the plastic ends can leak and the alloy fins are crumbling off most. Fit the biggest you can if you are replacing it.


Is the standard fm likely to fail in time with some relatively spirited driving? I was looking to see what was restricting the cars current capability but preventative maintenance sounds like a good idea.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 10:15 pm 
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keeny wrote:
At stage 3 the next best mod has to be a LSD


I will do some research on this. The steering feel is very clunky and not the smoothest. A proper alignment and an LSD might remedy this. Any idea what price I would be looking at?


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 10:19 pm 
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fka wrote:
sgould wrote:
I don't think an FMIC will make much difference at 270hp. A bigger one would be easier to fit. But you may also need other hardware,

If you have a manual gearbox, starting without using the key will be a problem as the car locks with reverse gear engaged.


It doesn't make a huge difference but the do88 FMIC did make a noticeable difference at stage 3. On an averagely warm day I noticed the ECU would start to hold back after 4 or 5 consecutive blasts. Presumably because it flowed better but it did also "feel" like it had a bit more grunt.
The extra 40NM of torque from the stage 3+ map that the upgraded FMIC allowed, however made a very noticeable difference.


Stage 5 sounds like a much more sensible option though :)


Cheers for the advice. I've not experienced any heat soak and ecu throttling thus far. Scotland weather is kind to turbos. You guys mention stage 3+ and stage 5, I didn't know these existed for my car. Would this be a noobtune by any chance?


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 10:22 pm 
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TwyRob wrote:
You could also consider the 2.3 conversion.


I saw a few threads about this and it looks interesting but too involved and expensive for a novice like me. I've bought a car with everything done to it and left no room for me to learn/mod myself


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 10:31 pm 
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Red Ragnar wrote:
Cheers for the advice. I've not experienced any heat soak and ecu throttling thus far. Scotland weather is kind to turbos. You guys mention stage 3+ and stage 5, I didn't know these existed for my car. Would this be a noobtune by any chance?


Yes IMO noobtune is your best bet. Stage 3+ is the same power as stage 3 but 420NM as opposed to 380. But you'll most likely find with the extra torque you'll need to change the clutch for a Viggen clutch.

You don't mention any poly bushing in your first post. If the steering is feeling clunky have you looked into poly bushes and or checked things like the track rod ends?
I never had an LSD and I'm sure it would have been the nuts but the suspension mods and fixes I made went a long way sorting torque steer and wooly feeling steering..


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:42 pm 
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Red Ragnar wrote:
Hello everyone. I now have some free time to start modding my car, I purchased it with some cool/fast bits already on like:

  • Noobtune stage 3 tune ~270bhp
  • K&N air filter
  • 3' stainless steel exhaust with high flow CAT
  • Koni adjustable suspension and lowering springs
  • Sway bar
  • Viggen rotors and pagid brakes

I am wanting to know if anyone else can suggest some other mods that will boost power or just improve on an existing mechanism, i am thinking of the following but have very little mechanical know how:

  • Short shift kit
  • Front mount intercooler
  • Engine start up with switches (No key)
  • Under bonnet strut brace

Any advice or help would be greatly appreciated.


Cheers


Is this an og 9-3 or a 9-3 ss?
If an og, I would be so bold as to suggest sell it and buy something that handles much better out of the box.
More power is just a waste as it won't handle well at all....... without significant cash thrown at the suspension.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:02 pm 
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of the ones listed the shortshift from jamsaab is probably the best cheap mod....

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 6:45 am 
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McVities wrote:
Is this an og 9-3 or a 9-3 ss?
If an og, I would be so bold as to suggest sell it and buy something that handles much better out of the box.
More power is just a waste as it won't handle well at all....... without significant cash thrown at the suspension.
it’ll be an OG, the SS wasn’t out until 2003 ...

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 3:42 pm 
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McVities wrote:
Is this an og 9-3 or a 9-3 ss?
If an og, I would be so bold as to suggest sell it and buy something that handles much better out of the box.
More power is just a waste as it won't handle well at all....... without significant cash thrown at the suspension.


What McVities said,

I know this is a Saab enthusiasts Forum and so the majority of advice you will get will be biased but take it from me you could pump Thousands into an OG9-3 and while you can improve the Handling over Stock the end result will be average at best.

I have done it on a 9-3 Aero and a 9-3 Viggen.

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