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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2020 1:34 pm 
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Car Models: 57 plate Saab 9-5 1.9 TiD Estate
I have a 57 plate 9-5 Vector estate with the 1.9 diesel engine. It's done 112,000 miles. I recently went on a week’s camping trip which involved putting a roof box on the roof and filling the boot with a large tent and all the gear you take for a family of four plus dog on a week’s camping.

When I had loaded the roof box and boot the rear arches were sitting so far down near the tyres that I didn’t consider it safe to drive so removed several items and we ended up taking two cars (not the end of the world as we weren’t going that far). Tyre pressure was 36psi all round. However, I had no more than I have taken previously and had accommodated perfectly well in my Mazda 6 (Sport) estate.

Does the Vector model have lowered suspension as standard or was it an option or are my shock absorbers knackered?

Thoughts gratefully received.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2020 2:36 pm 
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Car Models: ‘05 9-5 Linear Sport Est Auto
I always think mine looks low, especially when loaded for our long trips, if your springs are all in one piece it’s probably fine.

Unless the car is so down at the back it’s looking like the front is aiming for the sky, one way to check is to load it then get a heavy bloke (luckily that describes me) to sit and jump up and down on the back with the tailgate open, you will probably find that you still have reasonably significant suspension travel.

The way I look at it is that if I can drive around with four sixteen stone blokes in the car then my holiday loads are fine.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:58 am 
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Car Models: 57 plate Saab 9-5 1.9 TiD Estate
Thanks for the reply. When loaded for the trip, I could barely get my finger between the top of the tyre and the wheel arch. That's why I decided that discretion was the better part of valour and went for the two cars for the trip.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:18 pm 
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If you have a Vector Sport, you probably have sports suspension.

If you find your VIN plate under the bonnet, look on the bottom row for the 5th and 6th letter. If they are both J you have sports suspension.

With the wider 225 or even 235 tyres, you can't get much in between the arch and the tyre when loaded up. You might want to check the ride height quickly. Get the car on level ground with an empty boot. You are looking for about 610mm (sports suspension) from the ground to the wheel arch (outer metal painted bit). If it is less than 600, you might have soggy springs.

I think the measurement is 630mm with stock suspension.

I loaded the car up well once, roofbox, 4 adults and full boot. That trashed the Goodyear Eagle tyres, even though they were XL rated. It scalloped them on the inside and the drumming noise sounded like a wheel bearing. Despite being 2 months old, Goodyear refused to do anything about them.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:37 pm 
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My 2.3T TE (AKA Aero) wagon has less than two fingers' gap above the tyre even when unladen. And I don't have sausage fingers.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 12:43 pm 
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It won't make much difference to the ride height, but the 9-5 is notorious for wearing out the rear shock absorbers. if they are the originals on the car, it's almost certain that they are dead.

You may also have a worn rear trailing arm bush which will also lower the car.

But my estate has the even lower Hirsch suspension, and fully loaded it still has some suspension travel...

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 7:27 pm 
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My VIN letters are YS*EF**W********* (digits substituted for *) so I guess I don’t have the sports suspension. Haven’t measured the ride height yet, but will do so in the next couple of days.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 7:51 pm 
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Car Models: 2007 9-5 Aero est. 300hp Hirsch. 9-3 2010 9-3 Carlsson
The suspension codes are written along the bottom of the VIN label at the bottom of the middle door pillar.

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This is my 2007 Aero which has sport suspension.

Across the bottom, in order...

Front spring
Rear spring
Front anti-roll bar
Rear anti-roll bar
Front strut
Rear damper
Front disc
Rear disc
Front calliper
Rear calliper.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:24 pm 
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soupytwist,

Whilst checking out my '03 plate 9-5 2.3 t ( Auto ) for a reported petrol smell, I was horrified to find a broken rear spring. Didn't look low on one side and wasn't making any untoward noises but it was definitely snapped. Replaced with one from stock ( Had this with a previous 9-5 and the colour codes on the springs were the same - yellow/grey/blue ( 5 062 393 ) ) so all was well. Ride height was about 4 - 5 cm higher ( statically ) so I guess the ARB is doing a good job keeping it level before.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:44 pm 
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Paul Anderson Kippen wrote:
soupytwist,

Whilst checking out my '03 plate 9-5 2.3 t ( Auto ) for a reported petrol smell, I was horrified to find a broken rear spring. Didn't look low on one side and wasn't making any untoward noises but it was definitely snapped. Replaced with one from stock ( Had this with a previous 9-5 and the colour codes on the springs were the same - yellow/grey/blue ( 5 062 393 ) ) so all was well. Ride height was about 4 - 5 cm higher ( statically ) so I guess the ARB is doing a good job keeping it level before.

Paul @ Kippen


I had similar this year when my 9-5 estate failed the MOT with a broken rear spring. The yellow/grey/blue Paul notes is the standard spring (code DS). The top coil was broken and it did not show at all in the stance or operation of the car, I had not even noticed it when changing all the rose bushes a month before as it was virtually up in the housing.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 9:38 pm 
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Isn’t the rear measurement from the lowest edge of the rim to the arch, across the centre cap? I don’t think the ground plays a part.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 9:53 pm 
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Ground distance is irrelevant. It varies with tyre size and pressure.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 1:12 pm 
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Car Models: 57 plate Saab 9-5 1.9 TiD Estate
This is my VIN label

Not got exactly the same as the one earlier in the thread, not really a surprise as mine is a Vector, not an Aero. Looks like I have Sports Suspension though (JJ), can anyone tell me what the rest means please?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 6:51 pm 
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Car Models: 9-5 1.9TID Vector Sport Estate
Having thought the same about my 2006 9-5 Vector diesel estate I started digging into suspension codes to see what they meant. Not got the bits off the car yet but it's low in the water back n/s so expecting a broken spring at a point I can't see with just the wheel off.

Anyway, these are the notes I took on the VIN codes, hope they help as they're the same as yours:

Options code:

HE-FG-J-J-42-33-AD-BC-CD-DC-

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Front Spring: Yellow 12 Green 760 Blue 123 = HE
Rear Spring: Blue 12 White 760 Orange 117 = FG
Front ARB should be green = J
Front ARB bush = J
Front Shock Blue 12 760 163 = 42
Rear Shock: Blue 12 760 019 = 33
(part of Grey rear shock assembly 12 765 952)

Edited to add these are x-referenced with my copy of the Workship Information Service (WIS) and Electronic Parts Catalogue (EPC) so are to the best of my knowledge correct.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 7:57 pm 
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Car Models: 9-5 aero sportwagon
I put up with the standard suspension on my DE aero estate tiill 155 kmiles. :roll: carried some ridiculous loads in the back without any issues. Now running B12 kit with lowered springs,
But my 19" wheels and 235/35 tyres did cause some rubbing when on rough roads with rear passengers. The tyres rubbed against the plastic edging that covers the seal where the outer arch panels meet - so I skipped them and had the arches rust treated and heavily stone chip painted, all good now.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:50 am 
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Car Models: 57 plate Saab 9-5 1.9 TiD Estate
Thanks for the input everyone, I intend to take the car to a Saab specialist to get a couple of things attended to so will get them to take a look at the suspension. I am somewhat lucky in that Saab & Vauxhall in Benfleet and Howe Engineering in Buntingford are within reasonable striking distance from me (although completely different directions) so will make a choice and see what happens.


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