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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 1:26 pm 
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Hi all

I have been absent for a while, just busy with life and work etc.

Unfortunately I have come back under dire circumstances - I am still processing the news :-(

So the car broke down on Sunday, engine cut out and there was an oil leak somewhere.
Long story short the engine has pretty much had it - won't start and smoke is coming out of the oil filler pipe.
Something catastrophic has happened inside - and I don't know what to do.

I have invested a lot of money into my car - too much to sell it as "spares or repair" so the cheapest option is to replace the engine. But I don't know where to go and who to give it to - cost is obviously a concern as this was completely unplanned and I was already struggling. I guess another option is to break it and get more money that way to fund a replacement, but I would rather not do that.

Please can anyone advise where I can source a replacement Aero engine and get it fitted - also what the cost might be?

I don't drive much but I do need a car and was planning to keep this one until it died - just wasn't thinking it would happen this soon.

Thanks for your help and advice.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 1:46 pm 
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Blimey Kiwi,

that's not good news :shock:
I would probably lay money on the oil cooler pipes splitting if it was an oil leak.
IIRC you had already had a sump drop and clean out?


Have a look on here and ebay for people breaking cars - a replacement engine could be had for not a lot of cash. It is just the effort of getting it out the breaker and in to yours.
Doesn't have to be a 2.3, could use a 2.0....will run fine without any remap at all (as fuelling is based on the airflow through the meter).

In an ideal world, it would be a b2*5r as they have the better exhaust valves, although at some point, there were fitted as standard across the range if I remember rightly.

Any engine from 2004-onwards and you will need the loom and breather with it as well.


If you can find one, there is always the option of using a b234 to create a hybrid.........but if there has been oil starvation on yours, not sure if any of the parts will be worth using.

The chaps at Motorvation would be able to handle an engine swap with little difficulty. Might be worth giving them a call as they could even have a spare engine, but I have no idea as to what the cost would be.

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Smoke out of the oil filler pipe would be failed one way valves in the breather system and/or failed turbo. I had one that smoked from the oil filler, exhaust and other random holes all over the car but the engine is still fine after changing the turbo.

How do you know for sure the engine is dead? So long as it isnt rattling or the bottom end knocking its still ok. If you are getting a flickering oil pressure light at idle with a warm engine then it is toast. Would be worth getting a couple of opinions on it before committing to removing that engine as it may well be able to be sorted and at least last a little while longer for you.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 4:48 pm 
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Thanks Rich.

Another mechanic I know says it could be a broken valve ring, but still looking at a £1000 bill.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 4:52 pm 
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Smoke out of the oil filler pipe would be failed one way valves in the breather system and/or failed turbo. I had one that smoked from the oil filler, exhaust and other random holes all over the car but the engine is still fine after changing the turbo.

How do you know for sure the engine is dead? So long as it isnt rattling or the bottom end knocking its still ok. If you are getting a flickering oil pressure light at idle with a warm engine then it is toast. Would be worth getting a couple of opinions on it before committing to removing that engine as it may well be able to be sorted and at least last a little while longer for you.



You are right, it might not be. It doesn't start though. I think I will get someone else to have a look as well, before I make a commitment. There is a garage very close to me, I will ask one of them to have a look as well.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 6:46 pm 
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Give David at Saabflight a ring and chat to him, he may have a suitable engine sitting in one of his breakers.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 6:51 pm 
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Kiwi, sorry to hear that.
If it turns over you can do a compression check to give an idea, might show piston problems. I was going to suggest Motorvation as the nearest specialist but Saabflight often have a selection of scrap cars and may be able to help. If you go down the route of a hybrid I think you only need the head and sump from the B235. so a damage block/pistons would not matter.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 6:58 pm 
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James Vey may still have the engine out of my old 2003 9-5 Aero. He was breaking the car about a month ago.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 8:06 pm 
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Thanks chaps. I was also thinking that if I am going to have to spend that amount of money I might as well get a set of forged pistons, assuming that's where the problem is?

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 8:19 pm 
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Thanks chaps. I was also thinking that if I am going to have to spend that amount of money I might as well get a set of forged pistons, assuming that's where the problem is?


That'll be another £450 for the pistons and £370 for the rods to add to the bill. :shock:


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