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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 9:01 am 
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So,

I purchased this car in August and it had a service in June at Kwik Fit (should have been suspicious then).

At the time I obviously didn't know about oil grades etc specific to this engine but have checked the invoice this morning and they have used Titan S-Syn G 5W-30.

Everywhere I look including WIS states explicitly that only 0W-40 oil should be used in the Z19DTR 1.9 twin turbo engine.

So I phone up the branch and the guy's immediate response was "Not possible".

He basically said they go by the reg number, computer tells them what oil to use (GM oil) and that's that. So they have not used the wrong oil.

Yes the oil does conform to GM-LL-B-025 and is specifically for GM but is 5W-30 not 0W-40.

Am I missing something here? Are they right? Given that it is GM oil? Or should they have used 0W-40?

I have elevated it with customer services and the regional manager is phoning me back at some point.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 10:35 am 
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Discussed here (you may not like the bit at the end!): viewtopic.php?f=2&t=105169

I would guess that for the sake of 1 oil change it won't do any harm but would get the 0w40 next time. I would add that I have never had a TTID so may be wrong!


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 10:41 am 
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Car Model: TTid's only now :-(
Yep, there is only 1 oild for TTid's, and it's all 0W40.

Summer, winter, low use, stop/starts, all times other cars get choices / ranges depending on climage and use, the TTid only gets 0W40.

And to add to the misery, it has to be Dexos2 approved to.

Only 2 oils exist.

GM TTid oil
Mobil 1 ESP 0W40

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Castrol Edge 0w40 may be dexos2 as well, but the website is a bit vague Maybe it's just being phased in.


http://www.centerforqa.com/dexos-brand2/


Brand Name Supplier Spec Viscosity Region
Castrol EDGE Castrol Ltd. dexos2 0W-40 Global
Mobil 1™ ESP ExxonMobil Oil Corporation dexos2 0W-40 Global

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2017 10:51 am 
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Thanks guys.

Just as I suspected!

I am very worried now that it's done 6,000 miles with the wrong oil in it!

Hopefully get it changed and it will be fine. I'm guessing failures have occurred when the car has always been run on the 5W-30 oil. It seems previous services were carried out by a Saab specialist who should have known what they were doing!


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2017 8:14 am 
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Well after your advice, advice from the old Skoda forum I'm on (including one guy who's Son is a Saab specialist), Saab WIS and I also phoned a local Saab specialist... ALL sources say that 0W40 Dexos 2 must be used.

ECP's and Halfords' online system list the completely wrong oil for the TTiD- they show the same 5W30 options etc as the TID.

I have now raised a complaint with Kwik Fit head office and waiting a call back from the regional manager.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2017 10:09 am 
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Car Model: 9-3 Aero TTiD convertible auto
Not happy!

Kwik Fit refuse to budge.

They have spoken with Fuchs and they say it's the right oil for that car.

This is the oil they have used:

http://www.opieoils.co.uk/p-68919-fuchs ... el-gm.aspx

It is 5W-30 and doesn't list Dexos 2.

I've order a bottle of Mobil 1 ESP 0W40.. stuff it! Whatever the outcome with them the oil needs changing.

But they're not willing to help me.

Never ever going to kwik fit.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2017 3:09 pm 
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Wouldn't worry. Fresh / regular oil change even if slightly wrong grade is better than old oil. Doubt any damage. 6000 miles not a lot.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 5:12 pm 
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I think it's absolutely correct. Have look neobrother website http://www.neobrothers.co.uk/filter-eng ... 3587ff468b

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 5:29 pm 
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My workshop manual is a bit out of date. So unless it's changed recently, 0w/40 fully synth oil is the only one.

Here's the extract from my manual. The 1.9 TTiD diesel engine is Z19DTR

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 6:15 pm 
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Arti71 wrote:
I think it's absolutely correct. Have look neobrother website http://www.neobrothers.co.uk/filter-eng ... 3587ff468b

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But:
http://www.neobrothers.co.uk/service-sa ... 9b0101fbd9
and
http://www.neobrothers.co.uk/service-sa ... 9b0101fbd9

Finally
http://www.neobrothers.co.uk/premium-0w ... 9b0101fbd9

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 7:24 pm 
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That's what I mean. Saab WIS and Saab specialists say only 0W40 but sites list 5W30.

My biggest gripe with the Fuchs Titan they used doesn't list dexos 2.

I've ordered a 5l bottle of Mobil1 ESP for £35 Inc. delivery.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 7:44 pm 
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I wouldn't use the Saab premium 5w-30 oil, when I know there is a specific 0w-40 TTid oil (although it is twice as much, £38 vs £19)

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 8:16 pm 
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Yeah my thinking exactly.

I'm used to paying about £30 for decent oil anyway so it's no problem for me.

Should have the oil in a few days and will do a "cheat" change just using my oil extractor.

I've read that the oil filter can be a PITA to get off though :(

Wonder how many people out there have been running their car on the wrong oil.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 9:28 pm 
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Yes, oil filter housing uses an odd size. Something like 74mm with 14 flutes, not in any kit. In the end I read someone using a tool like this - got a set and had it off easily. Seem to remember someone saying there's a Vauxhall replacement cover which fits and has a big socket on the end (32mm?), which is then dead easy to remove in the future. Certainly what I'd be looking at doing if I still had that car ...

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Yes, oil filter housing uses an odd size. Something like 74mm with 14 flutes, not in any kit. In the end I read someone using a tool like this - got a set and had it off easily. Seem to remember someone saying there's a Vauxhall replacement cover which fits and has a big socket on the end (32mm?), which is then dead easy to remove in the future. Certainly what I'd be looking at doing if I still had that car ...



There is, I'll dig up the part no.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 10:59 pm 
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Yeah vauxhall ones are 32mm.. Bit of a two hat though as you ideally need a 6 sided short one and an extension otherwise they get awfully close to the chassis leg lol

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Yes, oil filter housing uses an odd size. Something like 74mm with 14 flutes, not in any kit. In the end I read someone using a tool like this - got a set and had it off easily. Seem to remember someone saying there's a Vauxhall replacement cover which fits and has a big socket on the end (32mm?), which is then dead easy to remove in the future. Certainly what I'd be looking at doing if I still had that car ...



There is, I'll dig up the part no.



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I used a metal band/ loop clamp designed for filter removal, to get mine off the tid- which has the same fluted housing.
I put a short length of aux belt in there so the rubber clamped down/ around it.

It was a pita but came off eventually

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