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PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 8:19 am 
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Finally I believe I solved this issue on my car! :D
Even though I haven't updated you I have been trying to solve this oil pressure build-up problem. :wall:
After much thought and discussions with engineers and mechanics I've more and more leaned towards that the problem should be on the low-pressure/suction side. And, at the point when an experienced mechanic explained that they had almost the same problem on a generation of the Family 3 engine (in aftermarket terms b205/b235?) I felt that I had to try this.

What did I do?
The idea was to remove the oilpan and where the pickup pipe connects to the engine block change the sealing.
And since we did this last week the oil-pressure light hasn’t come on one single time independent on ambient temperature.
I’m quite chuffed and so pleased :mrgreen:

If any of you try this, please let us know the results!

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 12, 2014 9:35 am 
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One month on and the temperature has even dropped under 0 without a single start with oil lamp indication! :D

I took a picture of the sealing (below), the problem was that it had become hard as concrete. While when I got the new it was flexible and soft, as a rubber seal should be.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 6:18 am 
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Hi folks.

I have been having the exact same issue for the last 3 months. It only started after an oil and filter change.

I will get the seal changed the next time the car goes in for a service. Hopefully that will solve the problem.

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JonasConv wrote:
Finally I believe I solved this issue on my car! :D
Even though I haven't updated you I have been trying to solve this oil pressure build-up problem. :wall:
After much thought and discussions with engineers and mechanics I've more and more leaned towards that the problem should be on the low-pressure/suction side. And, at the point when an experienced mechanic explained that they had almost the same problem on a generation of the Family 3 engine (in aftermarket terms b205/b235?) I felt that I had to try this.

What did I do?
The idea was to remove the oilpan and where the pickup pipe connects to the engine block change the sealing.
And since we did this last week the oil-pressure light hasn’t come on one single time independent on ambient temperature.
I’m quite chuffed and so pleased :mrgreen:

If any of you try this, please let us know the results!


Hi,

Would you have the part number for that seal handy by any chance? I'm just thinking that it would be much easier to give the correct part to my mechanic when I bring the car in.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2015 8:49 pm 
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Hi all.
Also had this problem, on my 2011 with the A19DTR engine. Got the sealing replaced, it's labeled 93167112.

Tested coldstart at -15C this week, problem solved! Thanks Jonas! :-)

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 5:25 pm 
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Gr8 to hear Borre and thanks for providing the part number!!
Was your old also hard?

I've been running it for a few months now and still no oil lamp :)

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 12:29 pm 
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Can i take it then that when refitting the sump a new gasket/seal kit is required? along with special gasket sealant?
and does anyone know the part numbers for these items.?.
Also is the sump drop/refit problematic or straightforward given it may be done laying on my back in my driveway?.
what other components are in the way and need to be dismantled if any?.

all advice welcome people.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2015 2:00 pm 
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Borre wrote:
Hi all.
Also had this problem, on my 2011 with the A19DTR engine. Got the sealing replaced, it's labeled 93167112.

Tested coldstart at -15C this week, problem solved! Thanks Jonas! :-)


Thanks Borre.

My engine is the Z19DTR (2011 1.9 160 TTiD4) . Would you or anyone else know if the part number would be the same?


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2015 1:42 pm 
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Car Model: 9-3cv 900cv 9-3TTiD 9-3NEVS
I'm not an expert, :roll: however this is what I know:

There was no sealant along with the sealing from SAAB so I don't think one is needed since it pressed into place, however you need a silicone-sealant for the sump itself.
The sump drop takes a while since there's quite a few things to remove but it is not complicated, it's just a matter of unscrewing a lot of things. BUT I have an automatic gearbox and from reading WIS the manual transmission cars are a bit more complicated, this is nothing I can confirm.

The 9-3TTiD engine should be the same independent on power output, power is just software related.

And I would recommend a lift since you need to remove the plastic cover, driveshaft, brackets (for ACpump, driveshaft and more), exhaust, starter motor and more (don't forget the electrical connectors). The last step is also to turn the sump 90degrees so space is an advantage.
:haynes:

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2015 2:12 pm 
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gunnerfitzy wrote:
Borre wrote:
Hi all.
Also had this problem, on my 2011 with the A19DTR engine. Got the sealing replaced, it's labeled 93167112.

Tested coldstart at -15C this week, problem solved! Thanks Jonas! :-)


Thanks Borre.

My engine is the Z19DTR (2011 1.9 160 TTiD4) . Would you or anyone else know if the part number would be the same?



Seems to be dependent on the type of oil pump on the Z19DT (120 hp) and Z19DTH (150 hp) ...

Article : Seal
PartNo : 93180738
Usage : 2005-2010, Z19DT, Z19DTH
For use in conjunction with oil pump 55198355
Order Quantity : 1

Article : Gasket
PartNo : 93194996
Usage : 2005-2010, Z19DT, Z19DTH
For use in conjunction with oil pump 55195499 not serviced
Order Quantity : 1

But the same (different) one on the 19DTR and A19DTR Twin turbo engines...

Article : O-ring
PartNo : 93167112
Usage : 2008-2011, Z19DTR, A19DTR
Order Quantity : 1

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2015 5:15 am 
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sgould wrote:
gunnerfitzy wrote:
Borre wrote:
Hi all.
Also had this problem, on my 2011 with the A19DTR engine. Got the sealing replaced, it's labeled 93167112.

Tested coldstart at -15C this week, problem solved! Thanks Jonas! :-)


Thanks Borre.

My engine is the Z19DTR (2011 1.9 160 TTiD4) . Would you or anyone else know if the part number would be the same?



Seems to be dependent on the type of oil pump on the Z19DT (120 hp) and Z19DTH (150 hp) ...

Article : Seal
PartNo : 93180738
Usage : 2005-2010, Z19DT, Z19DTH
For use in conjunction with oil pump 55198355
Order Quantity : 1

Article : Gasket
PartNo : 93194996
Usage : 2005-2010, Z19DT, Z19DTH
For use in conjunction with oil pump 55195499 not serviced
Order Quantity : 1

But the same (different) one on the 19DTR and A19DTR Twin turbo engines...

Article : O-ring
PartNo : 93167112
Usage : 2008-2011, Z19DTR, A19DTR
Order Quantity : 1


Great. Thanks. :)


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 1:16 pm 
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In another post recently i was talking about dropping the sump to renew the o' ring that seems to be the casual fault ref' this issue.
my plan was to wait till the spring and get the job done by lying on my back and doing the repair in my driveway.
i went today to pick up the new seal 93167112 and the sealant 93165267 from my local Saab Indie in Glasgow.
so after speaking to the proprietor i decided that i would give them the job to do and save my old back the hassle.
the car will be going into Schoneville Saab first thing Monday morning to have the job done. now,the oil pressure issue hasn't
worsened in any way to bring this decision to the fore it's just that i have been thinking lately, come on,get the finger out and get this thing sorted. there you have it and i'll let you all know the end result once the new seal has been fitted.

Bob


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 9:28 am 
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So iv'e dropped the car off at Schoneville Saab at 08.20 today and had a wee chat with them about the job in hand.this is very weird
for me as in my 61 years i have never had any garage repair any car i have owned since i trained as a mechanic in 1969.
strange, feeling a bit out of sorts just for having a repair done by a third party. i will update once the new seal has been fitted and i
test the car over the next few days/week.here's hoping all will be well.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2015 2:45 pm 
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Here is a picture of the pick up pipe seal.


The seal has gone really hard and shrunk causing the oil to drain down into the sump overnight
that gives the situation where on the first start of the day the oil light flickers and the sid tells
you that the oil pressure is low contact service.
So, after the new seal was installed yesterday i started the car this morning and had NO flickering
oil light and NO sid warning and given that this new seal doesn't need to bed in to do it's job i'm
happy to believe that i will have no more oil pressure warnings hopefully anytime soon.
So there you go another of these engines that's had this oil seal renewed with a positive result
showing no oil pressure warning due to the new seal doing it's job. :D :D :D

Well done to all concerned with their advice and hard work trying to resolve this issue and in particular
i will mention the O,P, Trackside who carried out a huge amount of work and research and to Jonas Conv
who after his research and some great info from engineers in Stockholm came up with the answer.
brilliant! thank's guys.
I would also like to give a big thank you Graeme, Ken and the team at Schoneville Saab for doing this job
in a timely and professional manner at a very fair price.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2015 12:19 pm 
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So one full week on since the oil seal renewal and the car has had five morning starts and one start where the car sat for
two days and in all six starts there was no flickering oil light or sid message to report.i'm sure that the issue is now a
thing of the past due to renewing the pick up pipe seal.

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Hello guys.

I have been searching for a while now, the best page i found was this one. I'm from Sweden, i hope i'm welcomed on this page anyway :)

I have been reading this whole thread, i am not an mechanic, and also i'm not that bright with cars, even though i love them. Anyhow, i got a 9-3x TTiD and have been having the same problem as the rest of you have/had. Every morning, evening, as soon as the car has been left alone for a while, i get the oil lamp lit up for a few seconds. I didn't mind it since it turned off so quick again. Then i got a sound from the sid. It was so quick i didnt even read it. I have been trying to get this messange on video so i could check frame by frame, and see what the text was. Today the sid was up for 1 second, and i was able to read what it said. Oil-pressure low. Even though im not a mechanic i understand that its not good at all. Checked my oil the following morning.. and everything was great, so i decided i check the web for some answers.

And i found this.

So is this the solution? the rubber thing? ( 93167112 ) Is this expensive to replace at a shop? does it take long to do? I really hope this is the thing, cause i cant get any sleep just wondering what is up with my lovely car.

Would be really happy for some response.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 12:24 am 
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[quote="jubbet"]Hello guys.

I have been searching for a while now, the best page i found was this one. I'm from Sweden, i hope i'm welcomed on this page anyway :)

I have been reading this whole thread, i am not an mechanic, and also i'm not that bright with cars, even though i love them. Anyhow, i got a 9-3x TTiD and have been having the same problem as the rest of you have/had. Every morning, evening, as soon as the car has been left alone for a while, i get the oil lamp lit up for a few seconds. I didn't mind it since it turned off so quick again. Then i got a sound from the sid. It was so quick i didnt even read it. I have been trying to get this messange on video so i could check frame by frame, and see what the text was. Today the sid was up for 1 second, and i was able to read what it said. Oil-pressure low. Even though im not a mechanic i understand that its not good at all. Checked my oil the following morning.. and everything was great, so i decided i check the web for some answers.

And i found this.

So is this the solution? the rubber thing? ( 93167112 ) Is this expensive to replace at a shop? does it take long to do? I really hope this is the thing, cause i cant get any sleep just wondering what is up with my lovely car.

Would be really happy for some response.[/quote

Hi there. the owners who made the decision to renew this seal have all reported the symptom no longer exists with the new seal
fitted. the sump has to be removed to facilitate the renewal of the seal and the proper liquid sump sealer must also be used when refitting the sump.i paid my local independent Saab specialist £270+/- to supply and fit the items. since fitment over four months now i have never had a flicker from the oil light nor any sid warning.

all the best

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Hey guys.

Thanks for the latest reply.

I have been calling almost every saab dealer around me.. and the part doesn't exist, its not outdated, but there is not one in whole sweden.. which seems a bit weird. Anyhow.. i placed a order at my local dealer. Getting the part from germany. a thing that worries me is that i also asked every dealer if they ever heard about this problem we are all facing, their answer was no. They have not heard about anyone having this trouble. So i have no idea who's going to change the part for me. I ordered 93167112 for my 2010 9-3x ttid. Do you guys have any detailed "map" on how to change this part?


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jubbet wrote:
Hey guys.

Thanks for the latest reply.

I have been calling almost every saab dealer around me.. and the part doesn't exist, its not outdated, but there is not one in whole sweden.. which seems a bit weird. Anyhow.. i placed a order at my local dealer. Getting the part from germany. a thing that worries me is that i also asked every dealer if they ever heard about this problem we are all facing, their answer was no. They have not heard about anyone having this trouble. So i have no idea who's going to change the part for me. I ordered 93167112 for my 2010 9-3x ttid. Do you guys have any detailed "map" on how to change this part?


Hi there, i don't have a detailed map but i understand that there are parts such as the exhaust to be dropped etc to allow the sump to be removed then the removal of the pick up pipe to change the oil seal. i reckon this cannot be a major job as such, as when my car was done by a Saab independent repairer in Glasgow fairly recently the total cost was only £270 including parts. and since the new seal was fitted i no longer have the oil light flicker issue.
here are the details of the indie i went to. Schoneville Saab . 1 Kilbirnie place Glasgow G5 8QR. 0141 429 5833
ask for Graeme or Ken who will hopefully talk you through the job and you can give the details to your repairer.
good luck with it.

kind regards

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