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PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2014 6:56 am 
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Dear All,

I am about to put my Saab through some cosmetics... After just a new battery, it's just flown through its MOT without so much as a minor after 2 years on a SORN.

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Have had a chat with Martin, Nick Senecal, Mick at Two Stroke and a couple of others about options...
Wonder what's the advice of the forum...

The car is a 1972 Saab 99E 4 door it's Triumph engined with 60k on the clock and has been garaged for years. I was lucky enough to be given the car by a friend of my father whose father had owned it from new.
The car is fuel injected (Bosch) and discs all round.

When I got the car I converted it from automatic to manual since I could not stand the high revving poor performance the 3 speed Borg Warner box, I replaced this with a 1972 4 speed from a 99k car.

About three years ago Two Stroke did most of the major welding chopping out and replacing with newly fabricated 'bits' as required so the metalwork/chassis is pretty sound.

I am looking now to spend some more money and would like to improve in the areas:

1 - Performance and Driveability
I was thinking 16v Turbo but Nick S suggests that this is a step too far since the car is pretty original as of now. Maybe a 5 speed instead of 4 would be sufficient for the occasional use when I am in the UK?
Shocks and Polybush? Bilstein B6 still available?
Sitting too high since the Borg Warner went! .. needs to be lowered - how? how much?
Refurb the alloys - not in yellow as was suggested 3 years ago when I originally posted about the car.
I did head gasket etc when I swapped the gearbox and the engine is very sweet.

2 - Exterior
It needs a paint job currently paint is very tired and there are a few blisters here and there.
Who, what, when, where?!?!?
Recolour or Keep Standard? Anyone know the paint code/colour for the current plum look?!
I'd love chrome bumpers and lower indicators but will lose the originality ( and proverbial rocking horse #*$% to source ?!)

3 - Interior
Seats are very old style they have had it... Either they need a retrim (seats and door cards) or a replacement interior.
Need another head rest ( anyone!?! )

Any other suggestions? Cool, Bizarre, Outrageous!!!

I have a budget in mind but maybe I'll share that later!!!

That's about it really. My aim is to complete some or all of the work before I'm back again at Christmas so I can use this rather than hiring a car ( cost me nearly £1200 for a hire car this summer - but that's a different story! ).

Apologies this is a mix of brain dump and advice session !!
Andy


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2014 8:55 am 
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I really like that colour and depending on how many panels are affected, you could could get colour-matched paint (most paint shops can do a spectrometer test to get 99% close to the colour on your car). That way you won't have the expense of spraying the WHOLE car.

Maybe go bumperless, it would look better with chrome bumpers, but if they're rare (and expensive) it can look quite cool without them altogether...
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Plus you're not going too far away from original, they can always be kept safe and bolted back on at a later date.

As for the engine, if it's a straight swap and you can source one, why not - it's your car!

Keep us updated, be good to see how this turns out, could even be a feature for the magazine!


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2014 9:54 am 
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I saw that one on eBay uber cool!! ... I was very sorely tempted but nowhere to keep it and two Saabs in the UK are nearly as useful as one when you live in Indonesia!

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2014 10:10 am 
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Personally I'd leave it as is. Lowering and tweaking a four door car seems kinda wrong? If you want to play, get a two door and let rip! My opinion, your car so whatever you do, enjoy! :D

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2014 1:45 pm 
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Its a fair bit of work re-painting and re-trimming. You could go for a cam change and twin webers for performance gain. Re-bushing is probably a good idea as it will probably be on some very old bushes. Suspension, you could try some of the 900 springs or lowering springs for the 900. Dampers are a bit of a pain, I don't know if anyone has had a batch made of late, but you can get old style b4 turbo items rebuilt to b6 spec.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2014 6:28 pm 
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Nothing wrong with lowering and tweaking a four door, that's what I'm doing. :D

rallyv4 has made some good sugestions.

Ultimately, do what you want and what your budget will allow. Just have fun doing it.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2014 8:21 pm 
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Nothing nicer or more generally respected than a carefully restored original example. Difficult to assess yours from a picture and description and I'm not the one to do it and don't take this the wrong way but yours looks too nice to chop into some hideous boy racer toy that owners and onlookers get bored with after a season or two! This will be born out in the value of the two different scenarios i.e. an original motor will usually hold it value better than someones hack job - how much did that chop shop SAAB 900 sell at auction for? £750!!

For me If it's a basket case that will provide some boy fun and keep a SAAB on the road great, but if it's a nice example it's just a crying shame to see a lovely original motor vandalised. Anyone can do what they want with their motor of course but like an antique there has to be some responsible ownership - these old girls are getting so rare. I would be proud to have yours on my driveway for many years but that green abortion above is just for donuts around Halfords :roll:

I was told by an ex main dealer SAAB mechanic that a few years ago now they used to banger race old SAABS that were at the end of there lives. One time an old boy came in with his lovely orange 95 for a service and bit of welding. The guys lied about mechanical problems and told him that it wasn't financially viable to do all the work on the car and that it's only worth scrap money. The following weekend they took it banger racing and smashed the hell out of this old guys pride and joy :roll:

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2014 10:01 pm 
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Looks-wise I'd keep it as is - looks great! Respray in original colour, refurb alloys and enjoy. Mechanicals - don't see any harm in tweaking if it's all reversible and you don't have to chop the car around to do it. You already swapped the box out... As for interior, the original seats are pretty cool looking, but if the fabrics shot then that's that... Custom retrim of some sort?

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2014 10:47 pm 
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I do like nice original cars but at the same time I have no problem with and quite like some modified cars.
Although I prefer clean lines rather than massive fiberglass bulging arches and big rear wings etc...

But that's my personal choice as is what you or anyone does to their own car.

Go for what pleases you not what pleases everyone else :wink:

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2014 4:52 am 
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Thanks for the comments guys .. .here are some photos that I took a while back April 2010 to be exact.

Took a lot of elbow grease and as you can see the paint is different colours and trashed! Now its seriously faded, looks OK in the earlier photos because its still wet after a rapid wash!!!

So respray is a given ... I think that I have decided to keep the colour original engine out, trim off, proper job.

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Internals .. Seats are tired and door cards are dissolved.

So ... retrim is also a given, again I think I've decided that original is best, this means find a good trimmer and material .. Ideas on a postcard please!!!


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Original is good, but the original fabric on these always seemed to dissolve. How about something similar colour but heavier duty? Woollen cloth? Tweed would look a bit cool...

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I think that I have decided to keep the colour original engine out, trim off, proper job.


Good choice, that is a lovely colour.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2014 9:20 am 
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New old stock interiors are still about if you dig around and call all the usual contacts (more so for 99's) but apart from the tear which can be fixed your interior looks very good. The material was thicker for that period unlike the later models which tended to go baggy! If it's just the cardboard in the door cards that are shot this can be repaired retaining the original 'vinyl' covering but again someone may have door cards knocking about. It's worth calling, Nick Utteridge, Mark Butler, Andy Boorman etc etc You will keep it original and it will be a lot cheaper than having it done in some non standard colour/texture which never looks right to me. America is also the place to source all this stuff. A friend of mine bought a whole SAAB roll of red Two Stroke seat and door card material from America. You just need to dig around. Try SAAB Klubben also, Blocket etc she looks to be worth the effort... Love the colour :wink:

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New old stock interiors are still about if you dig around and call all the usual contacts (more so for 99's).

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Is there anyone who can PM me some contact details?

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And so the journey begins!!
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[quote="Zagato"]New old stock interiors are still about if you dig around and call all the usual contacts (more so for 99's) but apart from the tear which can be fixed your interior looks very good. quote]

Really ?

NOS interiors for 99's :shock:
Yes please, I will take 10 if you can source them for me.

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This looks gorgeous, glad you've decided to stick with the plum, great project

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Been a while but the work is going on now...

Why did I think that Halfords Gold was the way to go for the crossmember and Rocker Cover. Anyone know what colour it should be?
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