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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 7:00 pm 
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What year is your 9-3?


2006

Have a look at saabnoob website for the performance benefits ...

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:21 pm 
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munchcorp wrote:
No sludge issues on these.

In that age range they had soft inlet valve problems. Generally occurs in 60k + mailers and manifests itself as a cold misfire, which goes away after a minute or two. Prevalent on 1.8t, 2.0t and Aero engines. Fixed by cars built in 2009.

That is a £600+ cylinder head rebuild with new valves. Ask me how I know?

CIM's can play up too. You can get remanufactured ones but expect a large bill and the need for a Tech2 session.

Otherwise they are pretty good. Watch the seats though. Turbo Edition and Linear seats are a bit naff, compared to 9-5 seats. Vector and Aero are better.



The ‘soft inlet valve problems’
So a costly fix.

Is this a common thing with these cars?
Like do most people on here with this car have to perform this fix?


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 1:49 pm 
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obi604 wrote:
munchcorp wrote:
No sludge issues on these.

In that age range they had soft inlet valve problems. Generally occurs in 60k + mailers and manifests itself as a cold misfire, which goes away after a minute or two. Prevalent on 1.8t, 2.0t and Aero engines. Fixed by cars built in 2009.

That is a £600+ cylinder head rebuild with new valves. Ask me how I know?

CIM's can play up too. You can get remanufactured ones but expect a large bill and the need for a Tech2 session.

Otherwise they are pretty good. Watch the seats though. Turbo Edition and Linear seats are a bit naff, compared to 9-5 seats. Vector and Aero are better.



The ‘soft inlet valve problems’
So a costly fix.

Is this a common thing with these cars?
Like do most people on here with this car have to perform this fix?


Cannot say I ever heard of it. I ran a 2003 2.0t Vector for 4 years followed by a 2007 2.0T Aero for another 4 years and this never came up for me.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 3:26 pm 
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I've had both a 2007 Vector 2.0t and an earlier pre facelift 2004 Vector 1.8t . Both were petrol auto's.
Both have been pretty well trouble free except for the 1.8t which did develop an intermittent central locking problem which was never successfully solved.
I never buy any used car with over 45k miles or without a full service history. Always budget for a set of replacement top quality branded tyres and
change the oil at least once a year or 6000 mls. I only use premium Shell or Esso petrol. Sounds an expensive way of doing things but I've been rewarded
with over six years of practically trouble free Saab motoring.
My 2007 car has passed it's last three Mot's without advisories.
Both cars use a proper torque converter and the changes are almost imperceptible.
There's also very little turbo lag . They both use basically the same engine with different states of tune . Both are easily powerful enough for modern motoring
even fully laden. The 2.0t does feel just a tad more powerful.
I was tempted by the Aero version but found the ride quality unacceptable for roads in my area, so best to test drive one on bumpy roads before buying.
These cars came with a myriad of options and I'm not sure what was considered standard when new.
However the differences between my two cars are as follows.

My post 2007 Vector 2.0t has everything the earlier car had plus the following.

Clamshell style bonnet.
Angry headlights ( very useful ? ).
Clear lenses at the back.
Different alloys
Built in sat nav. Clunky to use but does the job. Better to just plug in a Tom Tom or similar.
Reversing sensor.
Turbo indicator on the dashboard.
Sport button – The best option of all.

I recently took a 2 hour drive through twisting winding countryside roads with 3 adult passengers.
I left it in 'Sport' and the car was always in the correct gear, offering good engine braking when entering S bends and holding that gear whilst powering out of the bend.
The suspension is well controlled yet tight and compliant. Easily as much fun as my old 911.You can of course change gears manually or on the steering wheel if you prefer.
However select 'Sport' and you will pay the price at the pumps. That day out averaged just 24 MPG , but in a mixture of motorway, dual carriage way and country roads
expect more like 28 – 32 MPG. My 2.0t still drives like a new car and I can't see any reason to change it soon.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 8:43 pm 
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obi604 wrote:
munchcorp wrote:
No sludge issues on these.

In that age range they had soft inlet valve problems. Generally occurs in 60k + mailers and manifests itself as a cold misfire, which goes away after a minute or two. Prevalent on 1.8t, 2.0t and Aero engines. Fixed by cars built in 2009.

That is a £600+ cylinder head rebuild with new valves. Ask me how I know?

CIM's can play up too. You can get remanufactured ones but expect a large bill and the need for a Tech2 session.

Otherwise they are pretty good. Watch the seats though. Turbo Edition and Linear seats are a bit naff, compared to 9-5 seats. Vector and Aero are better.


The ‘soft inlet valve problems’
So a costly fix.

Is this a common thing with these cars?
Like do most people on here with this car have to perform this fix?


Sorry, haven't been on for a few days.

It isn't a regular problem. I don't want to panic you either. I bought ours with "an occasional misfire when cold, it goes away quickly though, it will only be a coil pack." Yes, I should have been more careful, but as I could never demonstrate the fault, the dealer refused to do anything. Don't make that mistake!

While researching the problem, I found quite a few listed, but mostly in the states. Interestingly, many owners managed to get GM to fix it under warranty because of the known issue. GM and Saab here always denied it was a problem and by the time Saab went bust, most of the cars with the problem hadn't reached 60k when it becomes more apparent.

I spent about £500 on genuine bits, many from Saabits, to ensure I got the best. I did the job myself, but my mate who runs a garage reckoned he could have done it for less on the bits and about £250 for labour. The first startup proved that was the issue and many miles later, it is still good.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:23 pm 
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Wow. Some serious replies there. Thanks lads.
Sounds like the inlet valves issue is just an unlucky thing to have happen.

Just wanna say - great forum you have going on here.

Most 9-3s I am looking at seem to have Bluetooth controls already pre built in to the steering wheel (see attached pic as an example)

But most I query don’t have factory fitted Bluetooth, but just prepped for Bluetooth.

Is it a big job to get the proper ‘factory’ fitted Bluetooth abs control calls via steering wheel etc ?

Edit : image is here: https://imgur.com/a/YoCUtSq. (Could not attach the pic )


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:42 pm 
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Factory bluetooth is only viable for 2007 onwards. The earlier cars had a separate phone box, you can't use your own phone with it.

But it's very expensive. The alternative is to just go with a bluetooth kit and plug it into the 18 pin connector provided for the purpose. It's in the centre console under the Ashtray. That will be plug and play with a patch lead from the likes of JustCarKits. It won't work with the steering wheel buttons though. All cars have the same steering wheel buttons, but few have the bluetooth box. This works on all years of the 9-3.

https://www.justcarkits.co.uk/acatalog/ ... ds-p1.html

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:47 pm 
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Thanks for the reply about Bluetooth. I’m looking only at 2008 onwards, but stil sounds like its an expensive fit out to try and achieve the ‘factory’ scenario.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:49 pm 
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TwyRob wrote:
obi604 wrote:
Is there any easy way to tell what bhp a car is on standard unleaded petrol?
Like is there a sticker anywhere that details this.

I know one can enter a VIN code to a website etc, but just wondering if a visual way to tell.
Yes. On petrols the badges on the back tell all.

V6 Aero = 250bhp
Aero = 207bhp - 210bhp
2.0t = 175bhp
1.8t = 150bhp
1.8 = ~130bhp

Arc, Linear, Vector etc are trim levels. Aero is also a trim level in a way, especially on diesels but it's mainly a power level.


This seller obviously does not know their cars.

https://ibb.co/hRNMSp0

Clearly a 1.8t yet advertised as 175 bhp


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:51 pm 
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Also, the car has this in the roof.


https://ibb.co/Vx8NkfV

Is this some sort of DVD player ?


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:14 pm 
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Any thoughts on my question above.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:21 pm 
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Looks to be an aftermarket fitment. Probably a DVD player.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 10:58 pm 
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Thanks.

Funny aul setup.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 10:36 am 
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obi604 wrote:
TwyRob wrote:
obi604 wrote:
Is there any easy way to tell what bhp a car is on standard unleaded petrol?
Like is there a sticker anywhere that details this.

I know one can enter a VIN code to a website etc, but just wondering if a visual way to tell.
Yes. On petrols the badges on the back tell all.

V6 Aero = 250bhp
Aero = 207bhp - 210bhp
2.0t = 175bhp
1.8t = 150bhp
1.8 = ~130bhp

Arc, Linear, Vector etc are trim levels. Aero is also a trim level in a way, especially on diesels but it's mainly a power level.


This seller obviously does not know their cars.

https://ibb.co/hRNMSp0

Clearly a 1.8t yet advertised as 175 bhp


Do you see the BioPower badge on the bootlid? BioPower 1.8t were rated as 175PS when used with E85 fuel... when used with standard 95RON they would be just like the standard 1.8t...

So seller not wrong.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 10:49 am 
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obi604 wrote:
TwyRob wrote:
obi604 wrote:
Is there any easy way to tell what bhp a car is on standard unleaded petrol?
Like is there a sticker anywhere that details this.

I know one can enter a VIN code to a website etc, but just wondering if a visual way to tell.
Yes. On petrols the badges on the back tell all.

V6 Aero = 250bhp
Aero = 207bhp - 210bhp
2.0t = 175bhp
1.8t = 150bhp
1.8 = ~130bhp

Arc, Linear, Vector etc are trim levels. Aero is also a trim level in a way, especially on diesels but it's mainly a power level.


Thanks. So purely based on badges at back.


the 1.8 130PS TwyRob lists above is unusual....

It's the old Opel/Vauxhall 1796cc 1.8i 16V unit which saw service in Corsas, Merivas, Astras and Vectras until around 2004 - this pumped out a measly 122PS. I have not seen a 1.8i badged 9-3, I presume basic spec 9-3s with steel wheels and no badge is the 1.8i - I think some Linears and Vectors were offered with this unit - also a major difference was that this variant had electric PAS and not hydraulic. At the same time Vauxhall fitted a VVT 136PS 1.8 to their cars (so Saab had an inferior offering). Not a popular offering but I do see some from time to time - not auto though.

The 1.8t on the other hand is 1998cc - confuses a hell of a lot of people.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 11:39 am 
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Yes, the 1.8i 122hp car has no badge on the boot.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 12:48 pm 
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TwyRob wrote:
obi604 wrote:
Is there any easy way to tell what bhp a car is on standard unleaded petrol?
Like is there a sticker anywhere that details this.

I know one can enter a VIN code to a website etc, but just wondering if a visual way to tell.
Yes. On petrols the badges on the back tell all.

V6 Aero = 250bhp
Aero = 207bhp - 210bhp
2.0t = 175bhp
1.8t = 150bhp
1.8 = ~130bhp

Arc, Linear, Vector etc are trim levels. Aero is also a trim level in a way, especially on diesels but it's mainly a power level.


:geek: mode overdrive.....

later V6 Aero's 2008-on in saloon and wagon variants were XWD only so 280PS

V6 aero verts didn't have XWD so I would assume they had just 250PS.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 10:44 pm 
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True true UKS addict.
I mailed the seller and queried him......he didn’t even know what E85 was though. It’s not for sale in Ireland anyway.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:59 pm 
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munchcorp wrote:
No sludge issues on these.

In that age range they had soft inlet valve problems. Generally occurs in 60k + mailers and manifests itself as a cold misfire, which goes away after a minute or two. Prevalent on 1.8t, 2.0t and Aero engines. Fixed by cars built in 2009.

That is a £600+ cylinder head rebuild with new valves. Ask me how I know?

CIM's can play up too. You can get remanufactured ones but expect a large bill and the need for a Tech2 session.

Otherwise they are pretty good. Watch the seats though. Turbo Edition and Linear seats are a bit naff, compared to 9-5 seats. Vector and Aero are better.



Hi, just on your line “watch the seats”

What do you mean by this? Watch for what specifically?


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welshwizard wrote:
obi604 wrote:
TwyRob wrote:
[quote="obi604"]Is there any easy way to tell what bhp a car is on standard unleaded petrol?
Like is there a sticker anywhere that details this.

I know one can enter a VIN code to a website etc, but just wondering if a visual way to tell.
Yes. On petrols the badges on the back tell all.

V6 Aero = 250bhp
Aero = 207bhp - 210bhp
2.0t = 175bhp
1.8t = 150bhp
1.8 = ~130bhp

Arc, Linear, Vector etc are trim levels. Aero is also a trim level in a way, especially on diesels but it's mainly a power level.


Thanks. So purely based on badges at back.


the 1.8 130PS TwyRob lists above is unusual....

It's the old Opel/Vauxhall 1796cc 1.8i 16V unit which saw service in Corsas, Merivas, Astras and Vectras until around 2004 - this pumped out a measly 122PS. I have not seen a 1.8i badged 9-3, I presume basic spec 9-3s with steel wheels and no badge is the 1.8i - I think some Linears and Vectors were offered with this unit - also a major difference was that this variant had electric PAS and not hydraulic. At the same time Vauxhall fitted a VVT 136PS 1.8 to their cars (so Saab had an inferior offering). Not a popular offering but I do see some from time to time - not auto though.

The 1.8t on the other hand is 1998cc - confuses a hell of a lot of people.[/quote]Sorry, my squiggle ~ was to mean "approx". The 1.8i is something I have little to no knowledge of as it wasn't exactly popular.

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