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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 12:17 pm 
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Hello,
I'm looking at buying a NG9-5 in the coming months and have a few questions which hopefully a current or previous or even someone who knows a bit about them might be able to give me some feedback on

Spec's I'm looking at are Vector SE TID or TTID auto. Mileage will be anywhere between around 70k to 100k.

I'll be going from a 93ss Sportwagon petrol.

1) Any serious issues with the engine or suspension which seem to crop up on a regular basis. If so at which mileage point do they happen?

2) Is there much noticeable difference between the TID vs TTID with regards to pulling power and motorway driving?

3) Is Hirsch the only company who offer a remap?

4) This ones more of a general question because I've never owned a diesel before. What are your thoughts on purchasing a diesel car now that the government seem to be cracking down on them a bit?
Personally I think diesel cars will be manufactured for another decade.

Any feedback big or small will be greatly appreciated.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 5:15 pm 
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Not considering a petrol? If you have a 2.0t or Aero tune 9-3, then a TiD might be a step back.

If TiD - get one on 18" wheels if you can, suspension was revamped quickly as the original Vectors were criticised for their ride (these were on 17"s)

Hirsch are official - there are deals on NG software - once my windscreen and turbo woes are sorted then I'll be treating myself to some £500 antlers which will transform mine from 220PS to 260PS... other 3rd party tuners are available - don't forget same engines are fitted to various Vauxhalls (whatever anyone says an NG is an Insignia underneath, GM exercised more control during development of this model compared to NG900, OG9-5 and 9-3 - it's not a bad thing apart from the fact Vauxhall technicians are hopeless with them)...

Delinquent Dragon might pop in, as he has traded a lot of these cars.

compared to 9-3, the NG9-5 is HUGE!


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 5:33 pm 
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A Diesel is only going to really make sense if you do some serious motorway miles in it (15K+ a year). As soon as you start running a Diesel in urban areas the fuel efficiency really drops away and with lots of stop start driving you will be storing up plenty of expensive issues. I would be particularly bothered about buying a low mileage Diesel for this reason.

This applies to all modern Diesels.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 5:41 pm 
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ive got an og9-5 2.2 diesel, no dpf as they were not fitted to these models, no egr as i have blanked and cheated, but as above, even on this you do really need to get some serious motorway miles clocked up to achieve any decent MPG's, i see around 40 if i boot it everywhere, a genuine 55 if i am extremely light footed and drive like my Dad... but on cars with dpf's and egr's you will start to get issues with just town driving that will far outweigh driving a decent petrol


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 6:08 pm 
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Thanks for your feedback guys, much appreciated.

Makes sense sourcing a diesel with higher mileage so as to try and avoid a car predominantly driven around town. Thanks 9000Parts for that one.

I currently do about 16-17k miles a year on dual carriageways and motorways so a diesel will probably benefit me.

And yes I currently have a stage 3 9-3 but not too concerned to step down to a lower powered car as I just want a more economical easy driving auto. Will probably get some antlers as well tho!

Thanks again.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 7:05 pm 
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I think that i'm correct in that Delinquant Draken no longer deals in the 2.0 petrol version of the NG9-5 due to timing chain issues, unless the issues have been dealt with, or allowed for in the sale.

[edit] Link added viewtopic.php?f=1&t=180856&start=20

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 7:25 pm 
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Correct me if i'm wrong but i don't think the NG9-5 TTID aero was available as an automatic. :?:
Edit.Wiki says manual box only for TTIDin the NG9-5 there is no autobox option.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 7:54 pm 
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Just checked the 2011 brochure and the auto was not available on the 1.6T or the 2.0TTiD. It was standard on the XWD Aero.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 9:26 pm 
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TTiD was available with XWD, as was the 2.0. I guess it had manual only on the diesel, and auto option on the 2.0. The 2.8 was available only auto with xwd.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2018 6:41 am 
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sgould wrote:
I think that i'm correct in that Delinquant Draken no longer deals in the 2.0 petrol version of the NG9-5 due to timing chain issues, unless the issues have been dealt with, or allowed for in the sale.

[edit] Link added viewtopic.php?f=1&t=180856&start=20


He did say that, but he also did say at one time that he thought the TiD was the most underwhelming variant - seems his tune has changed due to issues he's experienced. I speak to my agents (Ian Allan) and they don't think the chain issue is such a huge one, Turbo4s come in for other matters (compression loss etc, and dodgy turbos) and they do look after quite a few NGs

They do have a 9-3X TTiD Auto for sale in Virginia Water by the way.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:17 am 
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The 9-3 X Diesel is, confusingly, only front wheel drive. Only the petrol 9-3s got the XWD.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2018 10:47 am 
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Car Model: 2016 NG 9-5 TTID Vector SE
Hi.

As others have already stated, if you want auto then it’s the TID only. There is a Hirsch remap and a number of aftermarket ones taking the 160PS engine to similar output to the TTID. There is no official/Hirsh TTID remap.

I have the TTID and similarly it’s the first diesel I’ve owned. I was underwhelmed by the power of the car (despite 190PS and 400NM - the issue with the stock map is the torque drops off a cliff after a very narrow band - around 1750-2250 rpm). I had a very well renowned local ECU tuner (http://www.omwtuning.co.uk) do a remap after much discussion. It’s taken the car to circa 230PS and 480NM. More importantly it doesn’t cut the torque until much later RPMs. I also had the EGR blocked as I think it’s a ludicrous thing to have on a Diesel engine. Delighted with it now - and ironically it’s averages several more MPG (39 versus 36.5) plus the DPF regens less often.

They’re not perfect (what car is?) but they’re beautiful cars and I reckon reasonably robust. Had no problems with mine so far but early days.

If you get a diesel of either variant you must have the engine software updated to the latest - there’s a problem with the original code that will eventually cause limp home mode otherwise.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2018 6:03 pm 
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Thanks for the info. Lots of things to think about!


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2018 7:39 am 
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welshwizard wrote:
Not considering a petrol? If you have a 2.0t or Aero tune 9-3, then a TiD might be a step back.

If TiD - get one on 18" wheels if you can, suspension was revamped quickly as the original Vectors were criticised for their ride (these were on 17"s)

Hirsch are official - there are deals on NG software - once my windscreen and turbo woes are sorted then I'll be treating myself to some £500 antlers which will transform mine from 220PS to 260PS... other 3rd party tuners are available - don't forget same engines are fitted to various Vauxhalls (whatever anyone says an NG is an Insignia underneath, GM exercised more control during development of this model compared to NG900, OG9-5 and 9-3 - it's not a bad thing apart from the fact Vauxhall technicians are hopeless with them)...

Delinquent Dragon might pop in, as he has traded a lot of these cars.

compared to 9-3, the NG9-5 is HUGE!


Hi WW yes I am still around, My understanding of the Timing Chain issue on the 2.0T petrol New 9-5 is now mileages are higher then many would have had them fixed by now, but a few years ago every one I purchased would need them putting right before I sold them or shortly after they were sold :wall: My advice to anybody buying a New 9-5 is simple, buy a car that has been properly maintained by a proper Saab specialist, one that has had all the various issues dealt with on an ongoing basis, not one where the owner has just gone for the cheapest service deal where the servicing business has just done an oil and filter change with the minimum amount of other maintenance in order to keep customers bill down and therefore keep his loyalty :loco: Most of all do not expect cost free motoring, things will go wrong!

I am currently driving a new 9-5 Aero 2.8 Automatic XWD, one of the last ever registered on a 12 registration, before I bought the car it was a one private owner car with only 40,000 mile and a very full service history by my friends at the Saab specialists Bay Horse Auto's. Gary and Tim have a proper job done by there guys and in my opinion that adds considerably to the value of such a relatively sophisticated car. So in conclusion if the service book of the car that the buyer is interested in just shows stamps by one of the large service chains (I am sure you know who I mean) or a non specialist local garage, then have it looked over carefully by someone who knows the model well, not just a mate who owns a Saab, this applies much more to the New 9-5 than most other Saab's.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2018 8:53 am 
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On the “proper SAAB specialist” front, I’m not sure what one of those is - certainly any more. Of everyone available to me within sensible driving distance I’ve got...

One arrogant and disinterested independent who have already proven they don’t know what they are talking about with regards to the NG.

An ex-franchise who, despite retaining SAAB service signs outside, by their own admission only “do the basics on them now” and don’t even retain the IT equipment to be able to check and maintain the software/ECU side.

Another ex-franchise who, despite supposedly being “NG” specialists still managed to muck up the software on the car.

I’d never assume just because a service stamp says “SAAB” on it that the garage has looked after the car properly. All the above would cheerfully take your money and stamp the book as “serviced”.

I gave up trying to find someone “SAAB” (sadly the likes of Bay Horse are the other side of the country) so I use my long trusted and very well renowned independent. This is garage where BMW and Audi send all their problem cars to and they are meticulous in their attention to detail. They follow manufacturer service schedules to the letter and have all the detail for the NG which is given to me ticked off along with the invoice.

All I’m saying is don’t assume SAAB specialist stamps mean it’s been properly looked after and vice-versa. It’s well worth pouring over service receipts to see what has actually been done...


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2018 9:18 am 
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Agreed. Once I found out that the only requirement that Orio/Saab Parts UK had for giving a garage “Saab Approved” status, was that they were considered financially sound enough to be given an account for buying parts, I gave up.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2018 10:30 am 
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The best Saab specialists tend to be the Saab Master Mechanics who set up there own business when Saab failed and consequently there employer did, they may or may not be Saab approved!


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2018 11:20 am 
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Ian Allan in Virginia Water are my chosen 'specialists' and I am entrusting my Turbo4 for a major in 2 weeks - plus the CPS that will ensure the turbo doesn't go to sleep again.

I am hoping they will be able to make sure that the next 50k miles in Helga's life are trouble-free. When I picked up documents it turned out the servicing was done by the owner's own company, I picked up the car from a Vauxhall franchise (who were the N Wales Saab dealer until 2012) and when the original turbo packed up last year Network Q honoured the warranty - as the car was serviced by Slaters prior to collection. Got more faith in Slaters than Go Vauxhall Kingston (where the turbo was fixed by same technician who said non-movement of TBG dial and lack of boost was normal!!)...

Anyway every day when I get out of the car and walk away I always look back and think what an awesome and distinctive looking car

OH BY THE WAY watch out if it has extras such as HUD etc...replacements windscreens are unobtainable for HUD equipped cars.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 1:50 pm 
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Ian Allan in Virginia Water are my chosen 'specialists' and I am entrusting my Turbo4 for a major in 2 weeks - plus the CPS that will ensure the turbo doesn't go to sleep again.

I am hoping they will be able to make sure that the next 50k miles in Helga's life are trouble-free. When I picked up documents it turned out the servicing was done by the owner's own company, I picked up the car from a Vauxhall franchise (who were the N Wales Saab dealer until 2012) and when the original turbo packed up last year Network Q honoured the warranty - as the car was serviced by Slaters prior to collection. Got more faith in Slaters than Go Vauxhall Kingston (where the turbo was fixed by same technician who said non-movement of TBG dial and lack of boost was normal!!)...

Anyway every day when I get out of the car and walk away I always look back and think what an awesome and distinctive looking car

OH BY THE WAY watch out if it has extras such as HUD etc...replacements windscreens are unobtainable for HUD equipped cars.


Actually - windscreens are UNOBTAINABLE... most people like myself were satisfied to accept non-HUD glass and it's got to the point they are no longer in stock.... Long backlog of orders say Orio.

Aviva frankly don't give a :cen: , the fact my car could be off the road in Jan 2019 following MOT failure is of no issue to my insurer. Their solution is to buy another car. WITH WHAT? :evil:


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welshwizard wrote:
Actually - windscreens are UNOBTAINABLE... most people like myself were satisfied to accept non-HUD glass and it's got to the point they are no longer in stock.... Long backlog of orders say Orio.

I don't know whether you absolutely need the rain sensor - perhaps the wipers won't work without it? If you were really stuck there is a plain windscreen still available without any gadgets. There is a LHD one with rain sensing left in stock but I don't know what the difference is between LHD and RHD. There must be a difference.

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