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PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2020 8:03 pm 
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FYI ... bought some D1S Osram "Nightbreaker Unlimited" bulbs about 2.5 years ago, one started flickering - and I wouldn't say I've been using them much. I even swapped the ballasts earlier this year because I thought as they were original, they might need replacing. Suffice to say it's definitely the bulb (after swapping it out for a used one which I had "upgraded" from), I contacted Osram and they said there was no additional warranty. When pressed they said it depended on the country - so I guess 2 years here, in line with EU regulations (at least for now).

Whereas their "standard" D1S bulbs have a 4 year warranty and they now do an "ultralife" version which has a 10 year warranty. I suspect the equivalent to what I bought ("Nightbreaker Laser") also has a 2 year warranty.

So, buyer beware - it looks like the additional light output comes at the expense of lifetime, much like the nightbreaker halogen bulbs.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2020 10:05 pm 
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It's true that the upgraded output is at the expense of longevity. I replaced the HID bulbs pretty much annually on my last two cars as I noticed that the performance seemed to fall off a cliff. I have my lights on all the time though and drive about 15000 miles a year in my Saab.

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How very disappointing.

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much like the nightbreaker halogen bulbs.

That was what I was thinking the whole time I read your post. Moral of the story is clear; avoid super duper bright "+x%" bulbs, they are always short lived (and in reality could you ever tell the difference when they worked? I never could on halogens).

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2020 8:00 am 
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There is a reason why manufacturers don't use these "super" lamps as standard and that is that they don't last long enough. They probably also have a greater heat output which may be a problem long term. Manufacturers' choices aren't random even if sometimes they appear to be to the customer's disadvantage.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2020 12:36 pm 
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I think may recall fitting some slightly too powerful halogens bulbs to 1, maybe 2 cars over the years. I'd don't recall any disappointment with results, and I very often got rid of the cars before any longevity issues would have come home to roost anyway.

Then again, this may just simply be my over active imagination running away with me, honest officer.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2020 2:20 pm 
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For halogen bulbs, I'd highly recommend the PIAA Night Tech bulbs. I used to use the Osram Nightbreakers, but was changing bulbs every year or so. Now I've used the PIAA bulbs on various cars for many years and never had any trouble. Better light output (and colour temp) than the Osram Nightbreakers and much better longevity.

Can't comment on HID/Xenon, though. I've got factory HIDs on my XC90 and there I've always stuck to Volvo genuine bulbs because the light output is great and longevity is too.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2020 3:08 pm 
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much like the nightbreaker halogen bulbs.

That was what I was thinking the whole time I read your post. Moral of the story is clear; avoid super duper bright "+x%" bulbs, they are always short lived (and in reality could you ever tell the difference when they worked? I never could on halogens).

With night breaker halogens, yes - although maybe that was more to do with the colour temperature, but most of the driving I do now is on street lit roads, so I think I’ll go for either the standard ones with 4 year life or pay the extra for their 10 year “ultra life” ones. As it happens, the Jag takes the same type of HID bulb ... 8)

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:54 am 
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I use the halogen Nightbreakers in H4 flavour on all our fleet, and usually relace them annually as an MoT service item on the most used cars. I certainly noticed a big difference in output when first fitting them over a 'standard' H4 bulb. Although £20 annually is probably a lot less than a set of the D1S bulbs...

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2020 11:28 am 
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Point duly noted! I'm after a new set of bulbs for the Xenons in mine, think I might be inclined to stick with the "normal" ones now.

I do fit Nightbreakers to my motorbikes, although these are Halogen bulbs so the reduced life is easier to stomach given that the cost a tenth of the price. They sure do make a difference in visibility!


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I put night breakers in my previous car which was a 9-3 Aero. To tell you the truth I didn't really notice the difference - but I did get a free T-shirt.


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I put Nightbreakers in the 9-5 main beam. They both failed at the same time after about a year making me think it was a circuit fault initially. Replaced them with GT Ultras from Powerbulbs, cheaper and 2 for 1 offer. I couldn't really see much difference either.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2020 12:03 pm 
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Point duly noted! I'm after a new set of bulbs for the Xenons in mine, think I might be inclined to stick with the "normal" ones now.

I do fit Nightbreakers to my motorbikes, although these are Halogen bulbs so the reduced life is easier to stomach given that the cost a tenth of the price. They sure do make a difference in visibility!

I went with the 10 year “ultra life” D1S bulbs in the end, £104 from Amazon for a pair.

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