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PostPosted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 11:32 am 
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Hi,

I just got an Aero estate in manual and the emissions are 226 which puts it into higher tax band just like the Auto. It is registered on 30/03/2006 which is unlucky ;] I spoke to DVLA and they are saying it is correct while it obviously isn't, I checked on several websites and it always gives me 218.

Does anyone here have a manual 2006 Aero reg after 23 March? Could you confirm what tax band you're at?

Is there a way to rectify it?

Thanks for any advice :)

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 12:50 pm 
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There is one for sale here but the saloon version and if you check on the dvla website it says its 214g So according to that they are wrong but they hate it when someone tells them they are.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified ... 3yf&page=1


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 1:01 pm 
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The estate has higher CO2 than the saloon, and the various car selling websites may not recognise this.

The DVLA only go on the information given them at the time of registration, so if it is wrong it's an original dealer error.
Not sure how you go about correcting it, as the DVLA generally consider themselves infallable. Maybe if you have the original Certificate of Conformity that will have the information on it, which you could send to the DVLA. They may even have a form to fill in to correct erroneous data.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 1:56 pm 
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beardydave wrote:
The estate has higher CO2 than the saloon, and the various car selling websites may not recognise this.

The DVLA only go on the information given them at the time of registration, so if it is wrong it's an original dealer error.
Not sure how you go about correcting it, as the DVLA generally consider themselves infallable. Maybe if you have the original Certificate of Conformity that will have the information on it, which you could send to the DVLA. They may even have a form to fill in to correct erroneous data.


This one is a manual estate and is still 214g on the dvla site. So no idea why an estate would be higher?

https://www.gumtree.com/p/saab/saab-9-5 ... 1360042570


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 2:26 pm 
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beardydave wrote:
The estate has higher CO2 than the saloon, and the various car selling websites may not recognise this.

The DVLA only go on the information given them at the time of registration, so if it is wrong it's an original dealer error.
Not sure how you go about correcting it, as the DVLA generally consider themselves infallable. Maybe if you have the original Certificate of Conformity that will have the information on it, which you could send to the DVLA. They may even have a form to fill in to correct erroneous data.


Yeah so I dug a bit deeper on VCA and it seems like they might be right, however I am quite unlucky...

Manufacturer Model Description Gearbox Engine size (cc) Fuel type CO2 Tax band
SAAB 9-5, MY2006 5 Door Estate 2.0 LPT M5 1985 Petrol 218 K
SAAB 9-5, MY2006 5 Door Estate 2.0 LPT and Tuning Kit M5 1985 Petrol 225 K
SAAB 9-5, MY2006 5 Door Estate 2.3 LPT M5 2290 Petrol 217 K
SAAB 9-5, MY2006 5 Door Estate 2.3 T M5 2290 Petrol 211 K
SAAB 9-5, MY2006 5 Door Estate 2.3 TS M5 2290 Petrol 226 L

I suppose 2.3 TS would be the Aero...


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 2:32 pm 
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Oh wow - what I quoted was for cars registered in April 2006.

Mine is registered on 30 March... and March tax bands look different...

Manufacturer Model Description Gearbox Engine size (cc) Fuel type CO2 Tax band
SAAB 9-5 Series 5 Door Estate 2.0 turbo 150hp B205E M5 1985 Petrol 218 K
SAAB 9-5 Series 5 Door Estate 2.3 HOT 250hp B235R 'Aero' M5 2290 Petrol 214 K
SAAB 9-5 Series 5 Door Estate 2.3 turbo 185hp B235E M5 2290 Petrol 217 K
SAAB 9-5 Series 5 Door Estate 2.3t 220hp B235L M5 2290 Petrol 211 K


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 2:48 pm 
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CO2 for the Aero estate manual is 214gm - a number I committed to memory when I got mine in 2002

I have just riun a check for a March 2006 DE Aero estate....... 214gm. Was it a dodgy website, well, DVLA might not trust it as it is on the gov.uk domain, but here's the URL to use

https://carfueldata.vehicle-certification-agency.gov.uk/search-new-or-used-cars.aspx

Band K, regardless of registration date in that month

What to do ?

Call them and get a different answer for every person you speak to

Write to them with the evidence and tell them you require the vehicle record to be corrected, which will probably be ignored

Do an FOI request to ask them how many manual Aero 2006 estates wrere registered in March 2006 and how many are recorded in each tax band. Sneaky but you might get them to show their guilt ;)


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:01 pm 
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I just checked the paperwork on my June 2006 Aero manual saloon.

214gm on the V5, same as the estate, though it does not appear on the VCA website for that month


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:25 pm 
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I have a 2009 2.3 manual estate which doesn’t fall in the higher tax band. The auto does.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:33 pm 
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Called them up and been told that I need to get COC to amend it.

That's 120 quid so it will be worth it, provided that COC proves what I am saying and not what DVLA claim. I suppose a scenario, where the dealership guy fills out forms, has 5 autos 1 manual and just types same thing for all, is possible.

Funnily enough, the car is faster than my 2002 Aero saloon (Aero factory standard, no mods apart from air filter and exhaust) and I couldn't find out whether it is modded or not but it feels more like Stage 1. Maybe it's some sort of demo car with higher output.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:00 pm 
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mitochondria wrote:
Called them up and been told that I need to get COC to amend it.

That's 120 quid so it will be worth it, provided that COC proves what I am saying and not what DVLA claim. I suppose a scenario, where the dealership guy fills out forms, has 5 autos 1 manual and just types same thing for all, is possible.

Funnily enough, the car is faster than my 2002 Aero saloon (Aero factory standard, no mods apart from air filter and exhaust) and I couldn't find out whether it is modded or not but it feels more like Stage 1. Maybe it's some sort of demo car with higher output.

Later 2.3 turbo had 260 bhp as standard,not sure when it was upgraded though. I had mine tweaked by Saabnoob to 275 bhp and that was well worth it. :D


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 10:29 pm 
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My Nov 2006 manual Aero estate is band K (211 mg)- DVLA describes it as a 2.3 T M5. They also list a 2.3 TS M5 which is band L (226 mg). So what's different between the Manual Aero T and the Manual Aero TS - other than tax! I assume the M5 code is the manual gearbox?


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:14 pm 
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Oh dear, the DVLA.

I did once talk to some one there who seemed to genuinely know what they were talking about, once, I think it was around 1995.
I have been told calmly and patiently by someone there, that the car that I had didn't exist, "They didn't make them." was all I could get out of him. :wall:

If I'd been within 100 miles of Swansea, I'd have driven there and parked it outside the DVLA's front door.

Probably a good job I wasn't, I'd have quite liked to have slapped the stupid welsh tw*t senseless and then reversed over him. A few times. OK, maybe more than a few.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 10:45 pm 
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Oh dear, the DVLA.

I did once talk to some one there who seemed to genuinely know what they were talking about, once, I think it was around 1995.
I have been told calmly and patiently by someone there, that the car that I had didn't exist, "They didn't make them." was all I could get out of him. :wall:

If I'd been within 100 miles of Swansea, I'd have driven there and parked it outside the DVLA's front door.

Probably a good job I wasn't, I'd have quite liked to have slapped the stupid welsh tw*t senseless and then reversed over him. A few times. OK, maybe more than a few.


As a North Walian I am quite offended by your remark... Glamorgan is a small English county.....they just have strong accents down there.

I had a MY2000 Vectra in a auberginy colour called 'Persia', a chocolatey burgundy. Very nice shade too. V5 came back with 'yellow'

When my 9-3SS Aero came over from Holland apparently I had a Volvo 340....

two very interesting telephone calls.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:46 pm 
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Sorry, I meant no offense. My brother in law is from wales, believe me, I have nothing what so ever against the vast majority of persons from this geographical area.

The particular person I referred to above, spoke with a strong south welsh accent. From the conversation I had with him, I formed very the powerful impression that he was a stupid tw*t.

I concluded that, in my opinion, he was a stupid tw*t who coincidentally happened to come form Wales.

Please do not think I consider most people from Wales to be stupid tw*ts, I do not.
However the DVLA do seem to attract a certain type of employee, the type that doesn't necessarily know as much about motor vehicles as the motoring public of the UK might hope and/or expect.

Over the years I have made a number of phone calls to the DVLA :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall:


I am genuinely sorry that you have to share the same planet with the DVLA, let alone the same country!


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:01 am 
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mitochondria wrote:
Called them up and been told that I need to get COC to amend it.


COC?


The 1st gen HRV it's pot luck if you get one down on the V5 as 4 seats or 5 seats.
Seems to be down to trim but I cannot find the exact pattern - looking at one for mrs.
All have 4 seatbelts.

I have an JDM import car registered with DVLA as a bike! (about 8 of them country wide according to howmanyleft).
I have another exact same model regd correctly.
But they DVLA wouldn't listen. They are even the same colour :wall:


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:04 am 
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Certificate of Conformity


...... as specified in schedule 3 of Finance Act 2000....... as i now know having looked it up


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 04, 2019 9:53 am 
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I've been asked for proof of what I've said to the DVLA from the manufacturer.

Who provides the COC in this case ? Not Saab.


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The data still exists. Maybe Orio can provide if. I seem to remember that someone has got a COC fairly recently for importing to France.

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