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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:58 pm 
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Hopefully this can be discussed in an adult manner

The source is irrelevant as the information is on the NHS website

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5341098/m ... -a-cervix/

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 5:03 pm 
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Gaz38 wrote:
the information is on the NHS website

Where? I must have missed the link to it in the Sun article.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 5:16 pm 
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https://www.nhs.uk/common-health-questi ... ing-tests/

Seems quite clear...

Trans men who still have a cervix are entitled to have cervical screening. If you are:

a trans man registered with your GP as female, you will receive invitations for cervical screening between the ages of 25 and 64
a trans man registered with your GP as male, you remain eligible for screening but will not receive automatic invitations. You will need to request screening appointments at your GP practice


You can ask your GP to remove you from the cervical screening list if:

you no longer have a cervix, but still receive invitations to screening
you still have a cervix, but no longer want to have screening

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 5:23 pm 
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I think this is the booklet referred to:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... c_2018.pdf

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Whatever gender someone is registered as they are invited for regular screening for that gender.
Anyone can be asked to be removed from screening lists or they can request additional screening if required.

I cannot see why that requires justification?

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 6:23 pm 
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Espin99 wrote:
Whatever gender someone is registered as they are invited for regular screening for that gender.
Anyone can be asked to be removed from screening lists or they can request additional screening if required.

I cannot see why that requires justification?



Money.

The NHS is skint but they're sending out letters to people with no cervix inviting them for cervical smears, then there's substantial sum (bearing in mind its a public sector organisation) in making, monitoring and publicising the policy.
That's before you consider potential compensation to those who weren't offered the correct test.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 6:28 pm 
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They are inviting 'women' for cervical smears, how much extra time and money would it take for staff to scrutinise individuals records before sending out letters.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:09 pm 
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They are inviting 'women' for cervical smears, how much extra time and money would it take for staff to scrutinise individuals records before sending out letters.
Lots.

A computer generated letter costs very little whereas the potential cost of missing someone and paying out for expensive treatment of advanced cancer or end of life care is huge.

On balance, I think that a few unnecessary letters is best. After all, numbers are small.

(as an aside, using 'women' with the inverted commas is likely to cause offence. People who identify as women don't like their gender identity to be belittled)

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:21 pm 
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I agree entirely that not sending letters to people needing smear tests or mammograms because they "identify" as male is far more concerning and is, in my opinion, a classic example of political correctness trumping common sense.
It could be argued that the individual should have some responsibility for their own screening if they register as their chosen gender rather than their biological one but clearly people forget

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TwyRob wrote:
Espin99 wrote:
They are inviting 'women' for cervical smears, how much extra time and money would it take for staff to scrutinise individuals records before sending out letters.
Lots.

A computer generated letter costs very little whereas the potential cost of missing someone and paying out for expensive treatment of advanced cancer or end of life care is huge.

On balance, I think that a few unnecessary letters is best. After all, numbers are small.

(as an aside, using 'women' with the inverted commas is likely to cause offence. People who identify as women don't like their gender identity to be belittled)


No offence was intended :wall:

It was meant to emphasise the word women as in 'all' women are sent a letter. My point being it is cheaper than scrutinising individual records.
If you check out my earlier post you will find that I have no issue with the practice, as I stated it requires no justification.

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Espin99 wrote:
TwyRob wrote:
Espin99 wrote:
They are inviting 'women' for cervical smears, how much extra time and money would it take for staff to scrutinise individuals records before sending out letters.
Lots.

A computer generated letter costs very little whereas the potential cost of missing someone and paying out for expensive treatment of advanced cancer or end of life care is huge.

On balance, I think that a few unnecessary letters is best. After all, numbers are small.

(as an aside, using 'women' with the inverted commas is likely to cause offence. People who identify as women don't like their gender identity to be belittled)


No offence was intended :wall:

It was meant to emphasise the word women as in 'all' women are sent a letter. My point being it is cheaper than scrutinising individual records.
If you check out my earlier post you will find that I have no issue with the practice, as I stated it requires no justification.
No offence here, just making the point as that is one possible and likely interpretation of placing a gender term in inverted commas.

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Broadly, we seem to agree.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2019 10:59 pm 
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TwyRob wrote:
Broadly, we seem to agree.


Yes we do.

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No offence here, just making the point as that is one possible and likely interpretation of placing a gender term in inverted commas.


It is one possible interpretation. But its not a given, it depends on who is interpreting it.

I'll ask a colleague and friend when I next speak to her if that's the way she would have interpreted it, but she tends not to be offended by much.
She certainly gives short shrift to those who think they need to be offended on her behalf.

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i had this exact argument with a friend.

she was a he originally and got upset over a similar letter.

i pointed out that genetically she was still male therefore subject to all male problems unless the bits were removed if possible (genetic conditions only affecting males aside) and on the other side of the coin exactly the same.

therefore it was best to follow up on the letter as they only had the best interests at heart as they were looking at the genetic id not the ego id.

i think she did, but it was a sore point for her to deal with to be reminded, so i didn't pester her on it.

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Espin99 wrote:
TwyRob wrote:
Broadly, we seem to agree.


Yes we do.

TwyRob wrote:
No offence here, just making the point as that is one possible and likely interpretation of placing a gender term in inverted commas.


It is one possible interpretation. But its not a given, it depends on who is interpreting it.

I'll ask a colleague and friend when I next speak to her if that's the way she would have interpreted it, but she tends not to be offended by much.
She certainly gives short shrift to those who think they need to be offended on her behalf.
I'm not offended on anyone's behalf.

I would ask my Father how she felt except that a) we chatted about this type of stuff a lot and b) she died in 2014.

On reflection I think this topic is a bit too emotive for me perhaps.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 10:14 am 
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Blimey, what a lovely thread to read!

In my lazy stereotypical way I had expected blokes on a blokey Saab forum to laugh in a blokey fashion at the very idea of men trying to be women.

I happily consider myself chastised.


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so did it hurt then gary :D hope you got a good result mate

i was in the bank 2 days ago 2 deep voices from the other side of the wall then a woman in a dress came out full beard the lot
then i went in boots 5 minutes later there was another girl with a deep voice too

my mate got bought a drink by a trans person he didnt even realise hes only 20 bless him
i worked in soho so can spot it better than most folk can

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:44 pm 
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Blimey, what a lovely thread to read!

In my lazy stereotypical way I had expected blokes on a blokey Saab forum to laugh in a blokey fashion at the very idea of men trying to be women.

I happily consider myself chastised.


Nobody would dare do so even if they did want to,not that I'm suggesting that's a bad thing.

People can take the mick out of me being taller than average, my slightly crooked nose, my ears, teeth and almost anything else they like, not that I would give a flying whatsit if they did, but I have no specific protection being a white, able bodied, heterosexual English male.

On the subject of taking offence this video puts things into perspective but it does contain some swearing and a sexual reference

https://youtu.be/p9_bI789Gog

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The Kinks released Lola in 1970. We should all be up to speed with this issue now!

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CitTone wrote:
The Kinks released Lola in 1970. We should all be up to speed with this issue now!


I preferred Aerosmith's equivalent

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:55 pm 
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The Kinks released Lola in 1970. We should all be up to speed with this issue now!

Brilliant song, funny lyrics, based upon a true encounter!!


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